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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by force_reboot » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:30 PM UTC

czep wrote: post #196

yummyfajitas wrote: post #83

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Actually white heterosexual middle class males can totally appreciate these things. Imagine what it is like to be white/asian in a country where a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by black men and where black on white crimes are 5.6 times more common than white on black crimes [1]. Imagine what it is like to be Christian when a disproportionate number of terror attacks are committed by Islamic types. M…

You just cited a blog which has this on their About Us page: "If whites permit themselves to become a minority population, they will lose their civilization, their heritage, and even their existence as a distinct people." Instead of allowing your father to fear for his and your safety based on his irrational and bigoted views, perhaps you could educate him not to accept data from fringe sources. Your reproduction of…

The problem is that liberals, who are well aware of crime figures, don't publicize them because to do so would be "racist". That is, they don't think that publishing these figures would serve any purpose other than perpetuating so called racism. So only the (far) right talk about them. Note that you haven't actually shown the figures are wrong.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by ericjang » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:30 PM UTC

sukulaku wrote: post #238

sago wrote: post #6

I think the world would be better if, before you're allowed to respond to someone being wrong, you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view. Because 'political correctness' isn't the cancer at the heart of social politics, it is straw-manning. On both sides of every issue. I'd be surprised, perhaps even amazed, if Dr Piper had represented the complaint in any way…

> before you're allowed to respond to someone being wrong, you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view While we're at it, let's stipulate that everyone is only allowed to be honest and logical and to base their reasoning on valid premises! :) It's a nice thought, at least at first glance, but it's just not going to happen. Besides, the real problem with debates i…

It's not obvious to me that the militant feminists/race baiters/safe space people are sociopaths bent on willful dishonesty. I think it's reductive to assume they all have bad intentions.

I disagree with many of their points of view, but it doesn't mean that they are being dishonest. For all you know, I could be the willfully dishonest one here.

But you bring up an interesting point I've been wondering about lately - is the world complicated and full of nuance to be debated ad infinitum? Or is truth actually quite simple, with the source of complexity being only those who would cloud the truth with bias and/or willful dishonesty?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by CrimsnBlade » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:31 PM UTC

>Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic.

I have to say I tend to agree with this statement. I feel like every day I see more and more of the younger generation (~25 and younger) acting entitled to everything. Even in elementary schools, it is no longer the child's fault for acting up, but somehow the teacher's fault, which is a complete 180 from what it used to be.

I have to side with Dr. Piper on this one. The student chose to go to this university, I assume the student also tries to adhere to the Christian beliefs. If this is the case then Dr. Piper is absolutely right. It's not his job to coddle these students and make them feel good. If they are there to learn about Christianity and follow the beliefs that go along with it then they should expect to be corrected when their actions contradict that of the religion they desire to follow. Being humbled is just a part of it.

If I may be bold enough to give this student another verse to look at:

Proverbs 13:10 "Where there is strife, there is pride, but wisdom is found in those who take advice."

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by forrestthewoods » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:32 PM UTC

lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

Is HackerNews a safe-space for programmers? If you say anything negative about PG or silicon valley, you are downvoted. If you don't follow its rules, you are banned. If you don't have the same opinion as everyone else, don't follow the strict posting guidelines you are kicked out. It's philosophy is all fund raising capitialism, if you try something crazy you don't get funded.

Isn't HackerNews just an extreme safe-space for SV programmers?

Ok ok ok. I'm not trying to say they're the exact same. But what I am saying in response to your post is... so? That all sounds fine and totally reasonable. I don't see a problem.

I am amused how in the past two weeks the word "safe space" has been weaponized by the liberal left. First they demanded safe spaces. Then they were laughed at on a national scale. Now they throw back "oh yeah... well YOU'RE a safe space so fuck you!". I've seen it in multiple contexts and expect to see it more.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by afarrell » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:33 PM UTC

merpnderp wrote: post #208

wpietri wrote: post #184

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And honestly, I'm fine with that. Universities are for learning, and real learning comes from doing. The questions the students were grappling with are real ones. I expect they misapplied them here, as the yoga traditions I'm familiar with are mostly conscious Indian exports, their effort to share something with the world. But students should frequently get things wrong, because that's how real learning happens.

Learning only happens when there are consequences for being wrong. Aside from being ridiculed by people they disagree with and thus don't care about being ridiculed by, they have faced no consequences.

> Learning only happens when there are consequences for being wrong

If I'm writing a toy project to teach myself WebGL, what are the consequences for doing something incorrectly and later having to debug it?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by kordless » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:33 PM UTC

> Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic

Actually, children are necessarily and healthily narcissistic. They need this to help them move from a codependent relationship with their parents to a more balanced one as the turn into adults. Blaming them for this trait is ridiculous.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by ebola1717 » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:33 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #250

coldpie wrote: post #84

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> Are you suggesting people should not learn to cope with uncomfortable ideas? No one is arguing for this.

Yes...actually they are. That's what a trigger warning is. It's insisting that a declaration be given in advance to remove someone from the possibility of having to cope with something uncomfortable. A safe space is an echo chamber. If we really want to know the cause of these tendencies, we need only look to the internet. You used to need to find a group of people to hang out with in your area and in doing so you'd…

No, a trigger warning is saying "heads up, this might be especially uncomfortable for some people." Not unlike "heads up, this video has graphic and explicit violence", or "heads up, we're meeting that ex you just broke up with for dinner in a few hours."

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by sotojuan » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:34 PM UTC

jMyles wrote: post #212

It doesn't help that campuses increasingly operate like day cares: they treat adult students like children. A great example is orientation. Throughout the US, until fairly recently (at my Alma Mater, SUNY New Paltz - it was 1973), orientation was 100% run by students with no state or 'administrative' involvement. And it was an adult event. It involved camping, orienteering, and serious discussions about the life ahea…

I wonder how much this has to do with the general baby-ing of people of all ages. Kids don't play outside in the woods any more, parents pick up kids from their bus stops, etc. Is this because parents complained?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by gozo » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:34 PM UTC

coderdude wrote: post #282

lghh wrote: post #248

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> the biggest threat facing humanity today. Hyperbole? > We can deal with the Christians I don't want to deal with the Christians. I don't agree with their worldview most of the time, but the don't need to be dealt with. > once we sort out the safe spacers They are the safe spacers, just by a different name. Also, I think safe spaces are fine and they don't need sorted out. I was just making an observation on his hyp…

No, we really do need to weed out the people who can't handle the argument at hand based on personal insecurity before moving forward in any discussion. Otherwise, you're just wasting cycles on them and not the actual issue. (This addresses only the first part of your comment.)

I have a really hard time following this discussion. I assume you are against safe spaces, but isn't that pretty much what you're suggesting as a solution here? How is "insecurity" any sort of measurable standard that doesn't quickly equate to anyone you disagree with?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by coldpie » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 3:34 PM UTC

laotzu wrote: post #307

coldpie wrote: post #275

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I sincerely believe our society would be improved if people could live how they want, provided they harm no one else. While I agree it's a lofty goal, I don't think we have to voluntarily shackle ourselves to a life of hard knocks. > Go ahead and try to eternally fight to erase all darkness so that there is only light. I will, thanks! Why do you think people try to impede me?

>I sincerely believe our society would be improved if people could live how they want, provided they harm no one else. That may be but an insult is not harmful unless you accept it personally. When you accept an insult you are the one hurting yourself.

That works for many people, but I'm willing to hold people to a lower standard than that.