Miserable, this kind of stuff is why I don't run my own mail server any more. Happy Fastmail customer since 2006.
It's really hard to run you own mail server. Much harder than a web server. This is bad for freedom on the internet.
Why CardDAV took so long
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Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fastmail is email and calendaring not for cloud based based document editing / file storage.
It's clear from tiffanyh's comment that the question is about the mail/calendar/address book part. Though, I cannot give an answer to that question. From my experience with a personal account, I can say that Fastmail permits much more customization.
They aren't independent questions.
Why would you get cloud based document editing and storage from microsoft or google, and then not use the freely included and well integrated calendaring and email that either provide.
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's clear from tiffanyh's comment that the question is about the mail/calendar/address book part. Though, I cannot give an answer to that question. From my experience with a personal account, I can say that Fastmail permits much more customization.
They aren't independent questions. Why would you get cloud based document editing and storage from microsoft or google, and then not use the freely included and well integrated calendaring and email that either provide.
Trust me - Microsoft's email and calendaring is anything but well integrated, it's a flaky, unreliable mess.
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#14I'm going to repost an earlier question I had about FastMail ... It seems like everyone I read loves using FastMail for personal email/calendar/contacts. What I haven't found is many Businesses using FastMail for corporate email/calendar/contacts. Can someone compare FastMail (for business usage) to Office 365 and/or Google Apps? Original question, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511000
We tried using FastMail for our (small) company, but switched after ~8 months because we started running into deliverability issues and countless issues with shared calendars being unshared (or sometimes losing events).
We also couldn't use any of the nice sales tools that integrate with Google Apps (or any of the tools that make managing calendars easier, like https://claralabs.com/ or http://boomerangcalendar.com/). We're now on Google Apps and very happy.
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#15Miserable, this kind of stuff is why I don't run my own mail server any more. Happy Fastmail customer since 2006.
It's really hard to run you own mail server. Much harder than a web server. This is bad for freedom on the internet. http://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2015/09/15/email.html
I configured a pretty simple system (dovecot + opensmtpd) following the guide on the Arch wiki in under an hour, it really wasn't that tricky. I have dodged some common problems, though:
- my domain wasn't completely unknown so I had no issues with gmail flagging me as spam
- I use my gmail for signing up to things I don't care about mail from, so I have yet to actually receive any spam (at which point I will figure out how spamassassin works)
I don't think we need any additional software to make the process easier, maybe just better documentation from the distributions themselves or some already set up bundles. Hosting providers like DigitalOcean already have ready-to-deploy images for WordPress and Docker and whatnot, why not one for mail?
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#16I'm going to repost an earlier question I had about FastMail ... It seems like everyone I read loves using FastMail for personal email/calendar/contacts. What I haven't found is many Businesses using FastMail for corporate email/calendar/contacts. Can someone compare FastMail (for business usage) to Office 365 and/or Google Apps? Original question, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511000
Office 365 at least has several well known bugs:
1. Silently dropping email (no smtp transaction bounce, not in junk, no rules in place) for a specific single sender at a domain, where email from other senders at the same domain is accepted. Hundreds of people have posted about this online with no fix or acknowledgement from Microsoft.
2. Overly strict hardfail SPF policy by default for new customers who have no idea of SPF and should be using softfail. These customers often use third party systems to send out hundreds of account statements. These get blocked by other email hosts. The customers themselves have no idea and never correct their SPF, saying something like "it must be an issue on your side".
3. Blocking entire /24 IP ranges including good senders with good reputation, on the basis of only a single spammer in the range. This particularly affects those in datacenters, even if you are on a dedicated machine and your IP is good.
4. It may be that Office 365 does not track or measure domain reputation at all, which makes things like SPF or DKIM of little positive use, and introduces loads of spam false positive bounces.
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
They aren't independent questions. Why would you get cloud based document editing and storage from microsoft or google, and then not use the freely included and well integrated calendaring and email that either provide.
Trust me - Microsoft's email and calendaring is anything but well integrated, it's a flaky, unreliable mess.
Can you please expound on how it's flaky and unreliable? I'm a user and am wondering what I'm missing. :)
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#18I'm going to repost an earlier question I had about FastMail ... It seems like everyone I read loves using FastMail for personal email/calendar/contacts. What I haven't found is many Businesses using FastMail for corporate email/calendar/contacts. Can someone compare FastMail (for business usage) to Office 365 and/or Google Apps? Original question, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511000
We tried using FastMail for our (small) company, but switched after ~8 months because we started running into deliverability issues and countless issues with shared calendars being unshared (or sometimes losing events). We also couldn't use any of the nice sales tools that integrate with Google Apps (or any of the tools that make managing calendars easier, like https://claralabs.com/ or http://boomerangcalendar.com/…
I've seen a couple of nice tools integrated with Gmail and its web UI. The ones you mention are like that. However my problem with such tools are that they are not operating on standards. For one I wouldn't want to be locked into Gmail. But more importantly, tools depending on proprietary platforms usually have a short life. For example people loved Mailbox from Dropbox, while I was the one complaining that it only works with Gmail and iCloud. And I was right, Mailbox is dying.
And also these tools get access to all of your email, which is a privacy concern. And in the context of a company, that can mean industrial espionage. Personally I cannot understand how people can trust things like IFTTT, but whatever.
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#19Miserable, this kind of stuff is why I don't run my own mail server any more. Happy Fastmail customer since 2006.
It's really hard to run you own mail server. Much harder than a web server. This is bad for freedom on the internet. http://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2015/09/15/email.html
It is not that hard to run your own email server, what is hard is to get your mail into recipients mailboxes. The big players in this market have basically decided to block (at random) all mail that doesn't come out of a known email service.
I have just given up running my own mail server after more than 15 years because of this problem. Five years ago I had no problems, but these last 12 months have made me decide to give up and just pay.
Re: Why CardDAV took so long
#20I didn't even get into the remaining compatible with the existing contacts system. CalDAV was green field, but CardDAV had to integrate with the web, with spam scanning (whitelist/score bonus for known users), with mailing list address book groups, ...
The only feature I miss with your CardDAV implementation is contact photos. Everything else works very well so I leave email and calendaring to FastMail but I'm back to self-hosted contacts for now. Really hope this can be added soon.