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I.M.F. Makes China’s Renminbi One of World’s Select Currencies

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Before today, I think the US dollar was about 60% of the SDR bucket of currencies. For years I have read about probable problems if the US dollar was no longer the reserve currency, but it seems from what I have been reading that there is some sort of negotiated slow migration from the US dollar to using SDRs as the reserve currency. I like slow and steady change, even is it means that eventually my country (USA) wil…

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Before today, I think the US dollar was about 60% of the SDR bucket of currencies. For years I have read about probable problems if the US dollar was no longer the reserve currency, but it seems from what I have been reading that there is some sort of negotiated slow migration from the US dollar to using SDRs as the reserve currency. I like slow and steady change, even is it means that eventually my country (USA) wil…

What problems have you read about the U.S. facing if it stopped being a reserve currency? My understanding is that we would lose seigniorage, and maybe see a small increase in borrowing costs.

But the upside is value of the dollar would drop, making U.S. exports more competitive.

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This story masks BAD news. http://blog.mpettis.com/2015/11/chinas-rebalancing-timetable... China's debt today is over 200% of its GDP and may exceed 300% in five years. One hopes the IMF and China agreed on concessions will assist China in rebalancing its economy quickly, because as Petits' posting points out -- a disruptive end is near for the current model.

My comments on this previously:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10601219

TL;DR China's financial system is partially privatized central planning so it follow different patterns than the Western financial system.

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This story masks BAD news. http://blog.mpettis.com/2015/11/chinas-rebalancing-timetable... China's debt today is over 200% of its GDP and may exceed 300% in five years. One hopes the IMF and China agreed on concessions will assist China in rebalancing its economy quickly, because as Petits' posting points out -- a disruptive end is near for the current model.

Where are the sources for any of the claimed figures in the article?

It doesn't have one single link to any of the claimed figures and a quick Google shows the claimed figures to be at least an order of magnitude out.

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Wouldn't the gold standard render the entire notion of a "reserve currency" meaningless, too? If you're holding a gold-backed currency then you're effectively just holding gold. Holding a currency as a "reserve currency" probably meant actually holding a bunch of gold in a vault. It hardly matters whose face was on it.

If "gold standard" had one narrow definition (something like each printed currency unit is back by a specific amount of gold and that amount doesn't float), then yes, it would render it meaningless. But if the amount of currency issued can float relative to the gold reserves held, then the values of currencies relative to each other could still flow significantly. Put another way, it's an issue of trust. If currency…

For most of the time covered by this graph, "gold standard" meant that the money was actually made out of precious metals, not merely that it had some official exchange rate with gold. Concerns about how the quantity of currency issued changes relative to the amount of gold held, or conversion to/from gold, simply wouldn't apply.

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This story masks BAD news. http://blog.mpettis.com/2015/11/chinas-rebalancing-timetable... China's debt today is over 200% of its GDP and may exceed 300% in five years. One hopes the IMF and China agreed on concessions will assist China in rebalancing its economy quickly, because as Petits' posting points out -- a disruptive end is near for the current model.

Internal debt is also internal asset, which net out to zero. China is a net international creditor. Its internal debt structure may have implications for its economoic future, but is not nearly as relevant as its current account balance for foreign holders of RMB.

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If "gold standard" had one narrow definition (something like each printed currency unit is back by a specific amount of gold and that amount doesn't float), then yes, it would render it meaningless. But if the amount of currency issued can float relative to the gold reserves held, then the values of currencies relative to each other could still flow significantly. Put another way, it's an issue of trust. If currency…

For most of the time covered by this graph, "gold standard" meant that the money was actually made out of precious metals, not merely that it had some official exchange rate with gold. Concerns about how the quantity of currency issued changes relative to the amount of gold held, or conversion to/from gold, simply wouldn't apply.

Not true, there was still debt, so unbacked money.

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That guy is seriously confused. He seems to be referring to sectoral balances but doesn't realise that having the USD as the international reserve currency is what has allowed the US to consistently run trade deficits (where importing is a benefit to society and exporting is a cost), that the US government does entirely determine the ability of the US private sector to save USD and is able to pursue full employment b…

I've been following Mr Pettis for a while. I don't have a degree in economics, just a few classes and an interest. I like how he argues from identities, but can't vouch for his methods in the greater economic landscape. I'm not sure I understand all of your argument, but would be interested in your counterpoints to point 6 of his appendix on that post. Perhaps he's missing some of the benefits of a reserve currency t…

Point 6 in his appendix is in counterpoint to his own article in that it states the benefits to the US of the USD being the international reserve currency. Wilson and Riley's article is accurate! However they fail to mention that US denominated debt is simply an instrument for controlling the overnight interest rate target, rather than a borrowing operation used to fund government spending (ie. it's not really "debt" at all) and that the US government has the capacity to pursue full employment because it runs a sovereign, floating exchange rate currency which gives it maximum domestic policy space. Wilson and Riley correctly state that running a trade surplus is a disadvantage to the local population in that exporting everything increases costs to local consumers -- exporting is a net cost, importing is a net benefit.

For more on this see:

Introductory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i35uBVeNp6c

Book that describes everything in detail: http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Money-Theory-Macroeconomics-Sov...

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I've been following Mr Pettis for a while. I don't have a degree in economics, just a few classes and an interest. I like how he argues from identities, but can't vouch for his methods in the greater economic landscape. I'm not sure I understand all of your argument, but would be interested in your counterpoints to point 6 of his appendix on that post. Perhaps he's missing some of the benefits of a reserve currency t…

Read his book The Great Rebalancing. There are pros and cons to it, whether you think it's an overall positive or overall negative likely depends on who you are and what interests you seek. One thing I've learned, most people do not understand international trade or the balance of payments.

One thing I've learned: most people do not understand even the fundamentals of how money or the economy work on any level (including most economists, and most people who work in banking, finance and government). The level of ignorance is astonishing, at all levels.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most of the time covered by this graph, "gold standard" meant that the money was actually made out of precious metals, not merely that it had some official exchange rate with gold. Concerns about how the quantity of currency issued changes relative to the amount of gold held, or conversion to/from gold, simply wouldn't apply.

Not true, there was still debt, so unbacked money.

How much of currency reserves at the time consisted of debt?
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