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Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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I can't speak for everyone who pirated music, but back in the day when I did, it was because a CD was $15 and I couldn't afford that shit for every single song I wanted. When iTunes first showed up I thought it was a good idea, but the music came with the DRM bullshit. Then later, Amazon MP3 came around: Reasonable prices for ala-carte tracks, no DRM. I haven't stolen a single song since. Piracy by most people is a f…

You can't afford it? Don't buy it! The world doesn't owe you a fucking thing.

Not exactly the smartest move if you're a business that cares about profit though.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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post #221

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They also aren't making close to $20/view on a video, which is enough for even one viewer to pay for having that video reviewed by hand for infringement. Moreover, youtube has setup many systems in place to detect infringing materials. With the charges that Udemy has per copy, they should be paying people to review every video.. or have a $50 upload fee that covers that manual review process. That would kill a lot of…

Youtube actually have quite a civilised policy on pirated content. They do make money on the ads but if you go to them and prove you are the copyright holder they divert the ad payout on pirated stuff to you rather than the poster. I've got a friend making quite a lot of money by having asserted legal copyright on some much pirated content. Udemy could perhaps offer to do something similar?

I agree, wrt youtube's current policies. I'm just stating that given the pricing model Udemy has in place, that a manual review process on every video would not be unreasonable, as compared to say youtube.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Yeah, it makes sense that users have to tell them theres a copyright problem, just like a copy-righted YouTube video.

No, it doesn't. Udemy would fall apart as a company without illegal content. Their entire business DEPENDS on pirated content. You really think they would be making any money with the very very few legitimate courses? The business knows the majority of courses are pirated, and they don't care. This is how they make their money.

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Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Yeah, it makes sense that users have to tell them theres a copyright problem, just like a copy-righted YouTube video.

No, it doesn't. Udemy would fall apart as a company without illegal content. Their entire business DEPENDS on pirated content. You really think they would be making any money with the very very few legitimate courses? The business knows the majority of courses are pirated, and they don't care. This is how they make their money.

That's just a stupid, slanderous comment. Do you have any reason to say such a thing? Can you please give us links to some of the many pirated courses?

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Why do you think they knowingly acted as a marketplace for stolen goods? Where do you get that idea?

Are you a shill for Udemy? It may not even matter if they knowingly acted as a marketplace for stolen goods. See OCILLA (the "safe harbor" provision of the DMCA). Similarly, see the fate of Grooveshark [1]. Providers seeking protection from OCILLA must: 1) not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity, 2) not be aware of the presence of infringing material or know any facts or circu…

No I'm not a shill for Udemy. What about you? Can you please tell me why you said that Udemy knowingly acted as a marketplace for stolen goods?

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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I don't think you can do paid work and stipulate whether the they can later sell it to anyone. If you can learn something from this, it should be that next time you might be able to cut out the middle man.

You can contract just about any terms you like, including retention of copyright and limitations on the license granted. Don't just accept whatever terms someone predatory offers to you. (software consultant, not a lawyer)

You could try, but I was arguing you won't have much luck with that. Not many people will hire you if there are specific strings attached to what you produce.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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post #181

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Why do you think they knowingly acted as a marketplace for stolen goods? Where do you get that idea?

Are you a shill for Udemy? It may not even matter if they knowingly acted as a marketplace for stolen goods. See OCILLA (the "safe harbor" provision of the DMCA). Similarly, see the fate of Grooveshark [1]. Providers seeking protection from OCILLA must: 1) not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity, 2) not be aware of the presence of infringing material or know any facts or circu…

> Are you a shill for Udemy?

Insinuating shillage or astroturfing isn't allowed on HN without evidence, so please don't do it here. An opposing view does not count as evidence.

I've posted many comments to make it clear to the community what the HN norm is: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=....

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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No, it doesn't. Udemy would fall apart as a company without illegal content. Their entire business DEPENDS on pirated content. You really think they would be making any money with the very very few legitimate courses? The business knows the majority of courses are pirated, and they don't care. This is how they make their money.

That's just a stupid, slanderous comment. Do you have any reason to say such a thing? Can you please give us links to some of the many pirated courses?

> That's just a stupid, slanderous comment.

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Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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post #219

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OK so now they ban all videos with water marks of companies what does that solve, people will just start cropping videos.

Not really a hard problem to solve. Better content moderation is one step. Another? Add a part of the EULA that states: "You hereby claim that you are either the original content creator or have written permission from the original content creator to sell this course. You agree that if you are judged by us to violate another creator's copyright, you will be liable for double any revenues generated by the sale of the…

Good luck collecting double revenues legal action required to enforce that clause would cost more than the revenue.
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