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Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by FussyZeus »

ps4fanboy wrote: post #14
GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its dangerous to suggest that they should be validating each course. Why's that?

Because how would you even do that with any sort of accuracy, do you check the global content registry database? Surely people dont expect to export the burden of protecting your IP to other companies?

If you're in the business of selling content you damn well ought to know who's content your selling. I'm not saying any system would be completely bulletproof, but you should at least look like you're TRYING.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by ps4fanboy »

robconery wrote: post #18
ps4fanboy wrote: post #5

While I sympathize with the author its (edit)unreasonable to suggest that they should be validating each course. However it appears more should be done to ease the path to getting your content taken down. You would think the person selling the course would have payment information that could be used to track that individual down, the correct course of action is to sue. If the content isnt worth doing this then the co…

Define "dangerous". Listen mate, if you make money on something and that something is stolen - you are responsible. Udemy created this marketplace for stolen things; people steal things and sell them there. > the correct course of action is to sue Nope. That's what people do in a dispute to solve the dispute. The correct course of action is something else entirely as we're talking about copyright law, not pissing on…

> Define "dangerous"

Dangerous was a bad word choice, perhaps "unreasonable".

> Listen mate, if you make money on something and that something is stolen - you are responsible

I never claimed they arent responsible and as the DCMA outlines they mitigate their responsibility for hosting this content by allowing DCMA take downs. What are you suggesting Udemy do to validate that the content creator owns the content they are selling. Copyright law and ownership is a very complicated issue. There isnt a copyright database where they can validate that the content is owned by that person but also the content in the actual content is owned by the person who created the content.

What are you suggesting they do?

> The correct course of action is something else entirely

Like?

> https://twitter.com/robconery/status/664960173455224832

Do you have a licence for this content?

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by chirau »

robconery wrote: post #18
ps4fanboy wrote: post #5

While I sympathize with the author its (edit)unreasonable to suggest that they should be validating each course. However it appears more should be done to ease the path to getting your content taken down. You would think the person selling the course would have payment information that could be used to track that individual down, the correct course of action is to sue. If the content isnt worth doing this then the co…

Define "dangerous". Listen mate, if you make money on something and that something is stolen - you are responsible. Udemy created this marketplace for stolen things; people steal things and sell them there. > the correct course of action is to sue Nope. That's what people do in a dispute to solve the dispute. The correct course of action is something else entirely as we're talking about copyright law, not pissing on…

Doesn't the same thing happen with YouTube? Despite ContentID and all that, there is still a lot of piracy. Do you blame YouTube? They can only do so much.

I am not justifying Udemy by the way.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by ps4fanboy »

chirau wrote: post #23
robconery wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define "dangerous". Listen mate, if you make money on something and that something is stolen - you are responsible. Udemy created this marketplace for stolen things; people steal things and sell them there. > the correct course of action is to sue Nope. That's what people do in a dispute to solve the dispute. The correct course of action is something else entirely as we're talking about copyright law, not pissing on…

Doesn't the same thing happen with YouTube? Despite ContentID and all that, there is still a lot of piracy. Do you blame YouTube? They can only do so much. I am not justifying Udemy by the way.

If you look around, the main complaint with YouTube now is people making false claims of ownership now, this is the problem with validating the idea of "ownership" there is no registry its almost impossible to validate that someone doesnt own the content that you dont know about.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by ps4fanboy »

Bjartr wrote: post #20
ps4fanboy wrote: post #5

While I sympathize with the author its (edit)unreasonable to suggest that they should be validating each course. However it appears more should be done to ease the path to getting your content taken down. You would think the person selling the course would have payment information that could be used to track that individual down, the correct course of action is to sue. If the content isnt worth doing this then the co…

>If the content isnt worth doing this then the content isnt actually that valuable to the author. Even if the author thought the content was worth nothing doesn't change that it's his content, for which he controls the copyright. I don't necessarily agree with the modern copyright ecosystem, but as long as it's around it should be applied in a manner consistent with its goals of enabling content creators to control t…

I agree, and the owner should assert his claim by submitting a DCMA takedown request, but the owner shouldnt complain that they had to do that in the first place, that is unreasonable.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by chirau »

ps4fanboy wrote: post #24
chirau wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the same thing happen with YouTube? Despite ContentID and all that, there is still a lot of piracy. Do you blame YouTube? They can only do so much. I am not justifying Udemy by the way.

If you look around, the main complaint with YouTube now is people making false claims of ownership now, this is the problem with validating the idea of "ownership" there is no registry its almost impossible to validate that someone doesnt own the content that you dont know about.

Exactly. "Ownership" is not easily defined when it comes to content. For all we know, just because Rob appears in the video does not mean he owns the rights to the content. And just because the guy who uploaded the content is not in the video doesn't mean he might not have connections with people who own the content. Just saying.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by lemevi »

Did he even try to contact Udemy support and get a response? It would seem like the thing to do before writing a hit piece. I interviewed at Udemy, but ended up taking a position somewhere else, yet they struck me as good people trying to make a good product. I don't like piracy and the author has been wronged, but this blog post is unfair.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by citricsquid »

This happens fairly frequently to Jeffrey Way of Laracasts and there's a lot of money involved in stealing his material:

    Hey @udemy - For the third time this year, my content 
    is being stolen and sold on your site. Don't use Udemy, 
    folks.

    [1] So @udemy, 373 users signed up for that 
    stolen series at $19 - or a total of $7,087.
...

    Update on the Udemy selling my stolen content 
    issue: they finally responded, and will not 
    reimburse me, unless there is a court ruling.
Udemy do not care.

https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/649933605305774081

https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/649936961105432576

https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/649937073407979520

https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/651215238470090754

https://twitter.com/jeffrey_way/status/651215565713870849

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by ps4fanboy »

chirau wrote: post #26
ps4fanboy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look around, the main complaint with YouTube now is people making false claims of ownership now, this is the problem with validating the idea of "ownership" there is no registry its almost impossible to validate that someone doesnt own the content that you dont know about.

Exactly. "Ownership" is not easily defined when it comes to content. For all we know, just because Rob appears in the video does not mean he owns the rights to the content. And just because the guy who uploaded the content is not in the video doesn't mean he might not have connections with people who own the content. Just saying.

And this is all because ownership beyond "I made it I own it" is hidden in contracts which arent required to be public. People who expect third parties to have knowledge of private contracts are making unreasonable claims.

Re: Pirated Courses on Udemy

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Post by CamperBob2 »

greenyoda wrote: post #2

Filling out Udemy's "Report Abuse" form to report a "Copyright or Trademark Violation" probably doesn't create any legal obligation on their part to take any action. The author (copyright holder) should have filed an official DMCA takedown request, directed at Udemy's designated DMCA contact, whose e-mail and postal addresses can be found here: https://www.udemy.com/terms/copyright/

I'm confused. Why not just send a DMCA notice to their upstream provider?
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