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After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by Shorel »

kijin wrote: post #47

> 7-Zip now can extract ext3 and ext4 (Linux file system) images. > 7-Zip now can extract ext2 and multivolume VMDK images. > 7-Zip now can extract GPT images and single file QCOW2, VMDK, VDI images. These are seriously impressive features! I hope someone will build on top of them to improve ext4 support in Windows. The ability to extract files from VM images without actually firing up a VM or using other convoluted…

> I hope someone will build on top of them to improve ext4 support in Windows.

Is not better to just improve this already working Windows driver: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/ ?

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by toyg »

RDeckard wrote: post #48
dave2000 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are they still using sourceforge?

Probably because it works, they have been using it in the past, and there is no reason to move off of it.

Until "sf-editor" comes around and hijacks their project... http://www.itworld.com/article/2927973/linux/is-sourceforge-...

SF is on life-support, it survives only thanks to shady tactics like this and "repackaging" popular installers with adware. If you have a project on SF and don't like github, move to Bitbucket or some other provider but please please move off SF for good.

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by toyg »

i336_ wrote: post #43
digi_owl wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another major contributor is likely that with rar you can make a multi-file self-extractor. Seem to recall that before broadband and torrents, many a pirated game was released as a split rar .exe that could fit on floppies and was spread across numerous upload sites. Dump them all in a dir, run the exe, and game on...

7z can't do the exe bit I don't think, but it can make split archives of arbitrary size (in bytes).

Providing executable packages is a terrible practice anyway and should be discouraged. It reinforces the view that it's OK to execute random untrusted programs just to get a document, the most popular assumption abused by malware developers.

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

#54

Post by toyg »

kijin wrote: post #47

> 7-Zip now can extract ext3 and ext4 (Linux file system) images. > 7-Zip now can extract ext2 and multivolume VMDK images. > 7-Zip now can extract GPT images and single file QCOW2, VMDK, VDI images. These are seriously impressive features! I hope someone will build on top of them to improve ext4 support in Windows. The ability to extract files from VM images without actually firing up a VM or using other convoluted…

Unless it can deal with snapshots, it's not particularly useful... but if it could, it would absolutely be yet-another-killer-feature for the gem that is 7zip.

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by wizeman »

i336_ wrote: post #41
nikolay wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean "Ubuntu 15.10", I guess? I'm really tired of having to add dozens of PPAs in order to have a sane up-to-date Ubuntu environment. I can understand core packages, which are mostly on the server side to be conservative, but packages like 7zip and others should be updated more frequently.

On the one hand I feel Arch is trying to redefine some kind of OS X-inspired "chic 1337" and is throwing UNIX history out the window to do so, and on the other hand the feedback cycle with Gentoo is slow enough I fear I'll constantly vacillate between "gah, just let it rebuild overnight" and "GAH THIS TIME MY FINGERS DON'T LEAVE ^C". What else is there that's sanely up-to-date out-of-the-box, doesn't have bizarre red…

Have you tried NixOS?

I run the unstable channel, which is updated quite often.

Don't be scared of the name "unstable", because it's really quite stable since the channel only updates when all tests pass. Also, it's trivial to go back to a previous configuration if the current one is broken (which is something that has practically never happened to me).

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by rahimnathwani »

i336_ wrote: post #41
nikolay wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean "Ubuntu 15.10", I guess? I'm really tired of having to add dozens of PPAs in order to have a sane up-to-date Ubuntu environment. I can understand core packages, which are mostly on the server side to be conservative, but packages like 7zip and others should be updated more frequently.

On the one hand I feel Arch is trying to redefine some kind of OS X-inspired "chic 1337" and is throwing UNIX history out the window to do so, and on the other hand the feedback cycle with Gentoo is slow enough I fear I'll constantly vacillate between "gah, just let it rebuild overnight" and "GAH THIS TIME MY FINGERS DON'T LEAVE ^C". What else is there that's sanely up-to-date out-of-the-box, doesn't have bizarre red…

Why not use Debian Stretch (the current 'testing' release)?

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by i336_ »

toyg wrote: post #53
i336_ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

7z can't do the exe bit I don't think, but it can make split archives of arbitrary size (in bytes).

Providing executable packages is a terrible practice anyway and should be discouraged. It reinforces the view that it's OK to execute random untrusted programs just to get a document, the most popular assumption abused by malware developers.

I can't deny that that's true.

It's inconvenient too, as nothing in this house runs Windows right now, and extracting custom fancy EXEs* can get annoying.

(*: Most archivers can reopen the EXEs they create as par the course, and there are lots of extractors and unpackers out there, but I vaguely remember a few incidents where I wanted to extract an executable archive/installer of some kind and couldn't. In some cases pushing the EXE through Wine worked.)

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by i336_ »

wizeman wrote: post #55
i336_ wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand I feel Arch is trying to redefine some kind of OS X-inspired "chic 1337" and is throwing UNIX history out the window to do so, and on the other hand the feedback cycle with Gentoo is slow enough I fear I'll constantly vacillate between "gah, just let it rebuild overnight" and "GAH THIS TIME MY FINGERS DON'T LEAVE ^C". What else is there that's sanely up-to-date out-of-the-box, doesn't have bizarre red…

Have you tried NixOS? I run the unstable channel, which is updated quite often. Don't be scared of the name "unstable", because it's really quite stable since the channel only updates when all tests pass. Also, it's trivial to go back to a previous configuration if the current one is broken (which is something that has practically never happened to me).

I've observed NixOS from a distance with a modicum of curiosity and promptly filed it away as an awesome server OS (due to the networking infrastructure, coming with a remote management system OOB, the perfect reproducibility, etc), but it looks like I'll need to take a proper look at it as a desktop OS too.

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by i336_ »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #56
i336_ wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand I feel Arch is trying to redefine some kind of OS X-inspired "chic 1337" and is throwing UNIX history out the window to do so, and on the other hand the feedback cycle with Gentoo is slow enough I fear I'll constantly vacillate between "gah, just let it rebuild overnight" and "GAH THIS TIME MY FINGERS DON'T LEAVE ^C". What else is there that's sanely up-to-date out-of-the-box, doesn't have bizarre red…

Why not use Debian Stretch (the current 'testing' release)?

Very good point; there's always Debian, and it's existed forever... ;P

Re: After 5 Years there's a new 7zip non-beta release

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Post by josteink »

i336_ wrote: post #58
wizeman wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried NixOS? I run the unstable channel, which is updated quite often. Don't be scared of the name "unstable", because it's really quite stable since the channel only updates when all tests pass. Also, it's trivial to go back to a previous configuration if the current one is broken (which is something that has practically never happened to me).

I've observed NixOS from a distance with a modicum of curiosity and promptly filed it away as an awesome server OS (due to the networking infrastructure, coming with a remote management system OOB, the perfect reproducibility, etc), but it looks like I'll need to take a proper look at it as a desktop OS too.

The biggest hurdle I've had with NixOS in practice, on real iron, on a real machine (not just in a VM) is that there's just no way to "cheat".

NixOS is different, everything is based on the Nix language, and if you discover that something you need isn't in the package-store, the only way to get it onto your system is by leveraging Nix to build the package for you.

Basically the only way to get software to work on NixOS is by learning the Nix language and becoming a NixOS packager.

That is: With NixOS you cannot just wget a tarball, ./configure and make if something you need is missing.

This is probably a very intended "viral" design to boost the package-store, but it's also a hindrance for those who cannot put in the time and investment required to fully learn Nix.

For me, it meant getting my laptop on NixOS was something I wouldn't be able to accomplish over a full weekend, and because of that it became a non-option.

If those constraints don't apply to you, more power to you :)

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