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The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

Modern fruit has been selectively bred for higher sugar content. If it doesn't taste tartly sour, it's probably more sugar than your body really is evolved to consume.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #178
post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

> If you're going to eat something sweet, it's far better for you if it comes combined with fibre. My question is if the fibre has to be whole or not. If I put an apple into a high powered blender, it will get pulverized, but I'm not removing any fibre from it the way I would if I were running it through a juicer. Does the "slowing" factor of the fibre depend on it being in clumps (i.e. a chunk of apple digests slowe…

Chewing is part of the digestive system ( Saliva contains digestive enzymes ), so you're missing out on that.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

One of the dangers with juicers is that you end up making too many sweet drinks because they simply taste so good. Having both the auger style and centrifugal led me into the trap that auger was making better meals because it extracted more. Yet it was simply good at taking nearly all the solids out. Many of the recipes for these machines rely on fruits and they can be more addictive than other vices.

Going back to whole fruits the key I found was remembering those lessons as a kid, chew your food. This means even with fruits to make sure you don't just chew two or three times and swallow. That can lead to some gastric problems which turns many off to certain types of fruits. Better is to each vegetables, combined together they can be nearly as sweet tasting without the sugar

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #150

This author has a history of being on the wrong side of science, and fear mongers on the harms of GMO. For example: http://www.foodrenegade.com/peru-bans-monsanto-gmos/ Just google GMO and this blog: https://www.google.com/search?q=GMO+site%3Afoodrenegade.com

These other, more mainstream outlets share a similar story:

HuffPo (complete with a letter from a OJ Industry Group PR Rep that does not refute anything in the article, just tries to reframe) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/100-percent-orange-...

The New Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/ask-an-academic-o...

The Consumerist http://consumerist.com/2011/07/29/oj-flavor-packs/

Gizmodo http://gizmodo.com/5825909/orange-juice-is-artificially-flav...

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #150

This author has a history of being on the wrong side of science, and fear mongers on the harms of GMO. For example: http://www.foodrenegade.com/peru-bans-monsanto-gmos/ Just google GMO and this blog: https://www.google.com/search?q=GMO+site%3Afoodrenegade.com

One reason that people are against GMO is that they don't trust the system that makes GMO. The kind of labelling games pointed out in the article are one reason why.

From a purely scientific standpoint, I'm for GMO, but I have to admit that I don't really know what's in the industrial food I buy. Worse, it's in the food industry's best interest to obfuscate, and it would be foolish to think that the GMO industry is any different.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #200
post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being Anti-GMO doesn't make someone on the wrong side of science. The dangers of GMO from a economic perspective are worthy of worry on their own. If you haven't seen Food Inc, then I would recommend that as a starting point to learn how dangerous the monopolisation of the food industry can be to society. The farmers in Peru want to protect their existing biodiversity, something North America has lost thanks to Monsa…

Like the other commentator, the stated problems in your comment have nothing to do with GMO, they are a problem with a specific company and patent politics. I don't like software patents but I don't go around telling people software is dangerous and that they shouldn't use software.

If the software was a virus that infected other software you might.

Unfortunately the biggest GMO companies in the world have given GMO foods a bad name.

While GM technology does have hope for the future, like AI, it also poses risks. We need to take those risks seriously, and dismissing people anti-GM as being anti-science is FUD on your part.

There are dangers of eating GM food, but that doesn't mean the dangers come from the genes themselves. GM food such as roundup ready crops can have increased herbicide residue compared to non-GM crops.

We live in a world of corporate funded "science", so being skeptical of claims of 100% safety for GM organisms released into the wild isn't anti-science, it's just using the Precautionary Principle.

The Precautionary Principle states that if an action or policy has a suspected risk of causing harm to the public or to the environment, in the absence of scientific consensus that the action or policy is not harmful, the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action.

I think that is the correct approach to GM. The potential risks if things go wrong are huge and irreversible, wheres the need for GM food (if any) doesn't justify that risk until we have better scientific consensus.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Regardless of how you feel about additives, healthiness of juice or whatever, you should at least want your food labels to be honest and accurate. To me that's really what I take away from food posts about ingredients, GMOs, etc.

You need to understand how this works. First, it's "if GMOs are safe, why do you want to hide it by refusing to label?". Then, when you start putting it on labels, the narrative changes to "if GMOs are safe, then why are you warning us about them by putting them on labels?".

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like freshly squeezed oranges off my orange tree but they don't grow all year round. I am mostly happy not to consume oranges out of season but that isn't really a basis for a sustainable industry... Actually I'd call that the definition of a basis for a sustainable industry...

Yeah there's common sense in accepting that some produce is only available some of the time. There's plenty of decent fruit even in winter; I don't need strawberries right now.

There wouldn't be plenty of decent fruit in winter where I'm from without a massive transportation infrastructure.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

> You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting.

I recently had to discover this, for any kind of raw food actually, even carrots. Anything 'processed' (either industrial pre-made meals, or even home made sauced/whatever) will tease your mouth and brain in an incomparably different manner. You can eat at least 3 times more of anything if it's dipped into fat/sugar/spices. Without these, your brain will very clearly and very quickly tell you "enough". Even delicious strawberries have enough acid, sour in it to make you sick pretty fast.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

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