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The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by throwaway999888 »

asift wrote: post #248
redthrowaway wrote: post #130

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I think "vanguardist" is a better term than "elitist". "Elitist" connotes a passive enjoyment of privilege, whereas these people see themselves much more as the enlightened few bringing the orthodox[1] to the unwashed masses by any means necessary. They share far more in common with Communists who viewed it as their duty to shepherd the proletariat towards social consciousness than with the Oxbridge set who merely ta…

>"Elitist" connotes a passive enjoyment of privilege Any student on an Ivy League campus is among the most privileged human beings in the world (regardless of where they came from).

> among the most privileged human beings in the world

The most elite elitists among American elitists. :-)

Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by kansface »

genericresponse wrote: post #162

Just for everyone's awareness, there is a broad astroturf and professional political push that has been happening for over a year by FIRE, a right leaning think tank. This is a concerted effort to bring controversy around campus free speech into the news. My perception is that this is an effort to weaken student's ability to speak freely, but is coded as a "free speech" issue. Similar to how many churches coded marri…

If SJ isn't tantamount to censorship, why would anyone bother? I'd encourage you to engage with the topic more honestly.

More seriously, if you are going to espouse conspiracy theories, at least have the decency to include sources pointing at malfeasance.

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Post by vlehto »

forgottenpass wrote: post #116
kod wrote: post #21

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No, social norms that - you're not allowed to show emotion (unless it's anger) - you must get all of your emotional needs met through first your mother, and then your girlfriend / wife are what creates dysfunctional men.

[...] are what creates dysfunctional men. Even if we posit what you say is true, there are no alternate expression and communication toolboxes presented as a set of life skills. The only thing society has offered are signals that society wants men to cry more, and only in the situations they're socially cued to cry. The comment you're replying to says "Masculinity is not something to be feared or ashamed of, teaching…

There was recent article on some big media house about transplant uterus implanted into woman. And she delivered a healthy baby. There was some hint that completely artificial uterus could be possibility in the future.

The shitstorm from women was huge. "Think about the children not adopted." It's illogical argument, made for logical reasons.

Young women are potential mothers, then they are mothers, and then they get to be grandmothers. That's their special value to society and their privileges are based on that capability. When someone hint's about losing that special status, women get really defensive.

It's easy to joke about fragility of masculinity, when status of femininity is hard coded to bodies of women. Women talk about femininity a lot, but they have not had to really question it yet.

That being said, humor seems to be so integral part of masculinity that it's only fitting to laugh about it.

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Post by fleitz »

dragonwriter wrote: post #440
fleitz wrote: post #433

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The epistemological method in use in the class, so for instance in theology appeals to faith or words written thousands of years ago would be acceptable, while you'd probably want to reject appeals to logic/rationality. In science you'd want to use the scientific method and reject appeals to faith.

> The epistemological method in use in the class, so for instance in theology appeals to faith or words written thousands of years ago would be acceptable, while you'd probably want to reject appeals to logic/rationality. Theology, while its foundational principles may be established on the basis of revelation such as scripture, often proceeds from foundational principles by logic.

The foundational principles are usually logically inconsistent with each other.

Please explain how you proceed logically from the position that eating from the tree of knowledge is sin?

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Post by lukeschlather »

Pyxl101 wrote: post #403
lukeschlather wrote: post #360

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It's important to note the distinction between "blacks commit 50% of the murders in the US" and "50% of the murder convictions in the US are black people." It's well-documented that 40 years ago a white person could openly kill a black person and they would not be convicted. I've read a lot of studies, reviews of court cases, and court judgements about the subject, and it is clear that prosecutors are far less likely…

Other data support these ratios. For example, in surveys of crime victims such as the National Crime Victimization Survey, the race reported by victims of their attacker reflects the proportion of conviction rates: "The UCR and NVCS show similar trends regarding the races of offenders. Generally, the number of minorities identified as offenders is disproportionately high compared to their overall numbers in the popul…

Read "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. I'd suggest starting with chapter 2 since the introduction as well as the first chapter are more of a manifesto, the data which thoroughly demonstrate the point are in chapters 2-5.

One particularly damning statistic: black people pulled over and searched for drugs are significantly less likely to have drugs than white people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/us/racial-disparity-traffi...

This is a pretty good digest of the figures, but really read The New Jim Crow:

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

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Post by SHIT_TALKER »

henshao wrote: post #46
ccernaf wrote: post #18

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I'm pretty disappointed in the article and the comments, and how like Reddit this website is turning out to be. I'm not going to make any judgements (though I really really am), but this same article has been posted to 10 subreddits, among them such gems as: SJWsAtWork, ThisIsNotASafeSpace, sjsucks, and sjwhate.

What in this article is "disappointing"? I'm curious.

Calling something or someone "disappointing" or "problematic" is how these people evade enumerating arguments while still attempting to establish themselves as intellectually superior to those they are criticizing. They assume to have the correct position and condescend to anyone who demurs.

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Post by kelukelugames »

repop wrote: post #424
kelukelugames wrote: post #399

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Does HN really think telling a person that you don't like them because of orientation/gender/race/religion doesn't contribute to a hostile work environment? That's kind of disturbing.

Yes, ALL of HN thinks that! What a violent online community!

I'm judging by the number of downvotes my post had. Don't get too excite. Welcome and enjoy your stay. ;)

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Post by lern_too_spel »

moistgorilla wrote: post #260
lern_too_spel wrote: post #201

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You seem to have bought into fair and balanced horseshit. There are certain views that are morally superior to others, just as there are certain hamburgers that are better than others. Taking rights away from other people loosely based on ancient superstitions (the Bible says nothing about allowing gays to marry but says a lot about how to punish them -- the only reason Eich and his ilk aren't politically promoting t…

Under what moral framework are you judging Eich? I can think of many ways what Eich did could be construed as morally neutral and/or morally positive. Not that I think gays shouldn't have the right to marry. It's just that your idea of what makes something moral is horribly naive and self-serving.

Under the framework of cold rational logic. In what ways could Eich's actions be construed as morally positive without resorting to superstitions and other faulty logic?

You're absolutely right that my ideas are self-serving though. I am neither gay, nor black, nor a descendant of Abraham, but I am a human living in society. As such, I want to live as long as possible, and oppressing people to the point of ingesting cyanide is not going to help grow a scientific community large enough to keep me alive as long as I would like.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

wildmusings wrote: post #367
erikpukinskis wrote: post #343

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I think they're winning because the overall premise is just correct. Black death and torture is one of the most serious moral issues the U.S. faces today. There are some people with poor impulse control who get in the news a lot. The opposition promotes the hell out of those people (as we are doing right now) in order to try to discredit the leaders. The fact that the movement is still winning despite the countercamp…

Generational poverty and crime are definitely serious issues, but that's not the movement's "overall premise". The movement's philosophical underpinning is a complete abdication of personal agency and responsibility. They perceive themselves to be part of a powerless and oppressed group (which is false, especially for some of these 'victims' that are Ivy League students with many open doors). To support that, they've…

You are accurately characterizing a subset of behaviors but I don't think they are characteristic of the movement's day to day operations.
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