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Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Despite the visual appeal of their products, Apple normally does a very good job with prioritizing function over form except in this case with the charger wire being so fragile and thin. I know I'm not the most careful and delicate person in the world, but the failure rate here is ridiculous compared to other similar products I own. The end of the cable gets frayed every single time. Otherwise, Apple makes ridiculous…

I support around 300 Macs for work. In my extensive experience, the deal here is that people are FAR too rough and careless in winding up those charger cables over and over. Apple HAS implemented strain relief here and done their best to make the points of failure less vulnerable. Here's a tip: Instead of yanking the cable at a 90-degree angle and winding as tightly as possible, let the cable come out of the charger…

I couldn't disagree more. Chargers should be durable enough to handle typical usage.

People aren't "FAR too rough and careless." People behave as people behave.

A high end manufacturer like Apple should be design and manufacture their devices to stand up to the rigors that people typically put them through.

Why doesn't Apple? Because their user base (or at least the majority of their user base who winds chargers too tightly, which I apparently fall into) would rather buy a new charger every year or so than switch computers.

It's quite profitable for them.

[Edit -- fixed typo]

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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One thing which bugs me about this article is he conflates "complex" with "good". As an electronic designer I spend a huge amount of effort trying to make things as simple as possible. Complexity may be required to meet certain requirements but in general keeping it simple makes things more reliable and more cost effective.

Yes I wondered whether this complexity is a factor of enterprise design: Each engineer is responsible for a subsystem, ending up with x^n pieces, whereas the counterfeit one took 1 or 2 engineers.

There are two sources of complexity in the charger:

PFC and efficient resonant converter, which is to be expected of high-quality charger.

The whole magsafe handshaking mechanism, which looks like an afterthought to solve reliability problems caused by arcing on the pins, that also got used to block counterfeiters.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the market at the moment is terrible. When buy genuine Apple or Samsung you know the quality is good. But when you pay something closer to what it should cost, who knows what you're getting? Could be a decent charger, could be heavily marked up Chinese junk.

It's because the market is so fragmented. USB-C and USB power delivery will do a huge amount of good. The USB smartphone charger market is starting to produce genuinely well made third party products.

Fly-by-nights are going to destroy customer confidence in USB-C - just look at the reviews on Amazon.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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post #122

Despite the visual appeal of their products, Apple normally does a very good job with prioritizing function over form except in this case with the charger wire being so fragile and thin. I know I'm not the most careful and delicate person in the world, but the failure rate here is ridiculous compared to other similar products I own. The end of the cable gets frayed every single time. Otherwise, Apple makes ridiculous…

I support around 300 Macs for work. In my extensive experience, the deal here is that people are FAR too rough and careless in winding up those charger cables over and over. Apple HAS implemented strain relief here and done their best to make the points of failure less vulnerable. Here's a tip: Instead of yanking the cable at a 90-degree angle and winding as tightly as possible, let the cable come out of the charger…

I think a charger should be much more robust than this. Other laptop manufacturers have already figured out how to avoid such a simple thing. I can only speak from my own experience, and after one MB Pro and two iPhone chargers with frayed wires, I'll take my ugly Sony Vaio charger over a 'brilliantly' designed Apple one any day of the week.

http://imgur.com/MYzPHOV

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Despite the visual appeal of their products, Apple normally does a very good job with prioritizing function over form except in this case with the charger wire being so fragile and thin. I know I'm not the most careful and delicate person in the world, but the failure rate here is ridiculous compared to other similar products I own. The end of the cable gets frayed every single time. Otherwise, Apple makes ridiculous…

The low volt cable must also be replaceable. Just like the wall power cable. It'd add another connector and SKU, which may be why they attach the thin cable permanently. But so what? I buy Shure ear buds because the cable is replaceable.

Great idea. Would be far cheaper to replace that than the whole charger. (Though that's probably exactly why Apple won't do it).

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Mine fail on me every 9 months. I think there is just no way you can avoid that if you just roll/unroll the cable several times per day. Their AppleCare program takes care of for "free", but the downtime is really annoying, that's why I keep one of those fake adapters around to bridge those gaps.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this isn't so much Jobs lying as it is him doing his normal embellishment. Rod Holts design wasn't electrically unique, but it was extremely light and small. The Apple II wasn't the first computer to use a switching supply but it was shockingly light of a power supply which really helped the Apple II's reputation. Which... as far as Jobs was likely concerned was all that mattered, but it wasn't the rip-off he…

Yeah. When Apple claims to have invented something, they don't mean that they invented the very first instance of it, they mean that they invented a practical and transformative consumer implementation, which depending on who you are can be viewed as just as important (because what use is a technology if it can't be used on a practical level?)

"popularized" and "invented" are two words which would be useful in this situation. Hopefully, we can all agree on the distinct meaning of those words.

>because what use is a technology if it can't be used on a practical level?

I know you meant it in a general sense, but the act of demonstrating something can also be useful. It could be that its not very profitable to manufacture or that it could serve as an inspiration for others to improve upon the idea itself.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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Mine fail on me every 9 months. I think there is just no way you can avoid that if you just roll/unroll the cable several times per day. Their AppleCare program takes care of for "free", but the downtime is really annoying, that's why I keep one of those fake adapters around to bridge those gaps.

I roll/unroll the cable several times per day and my charger is completely fine. I got it with my Air mid '13 two years ago and use every day. It has probably a lot more to do with the way you roll it (and/or the one Apple thinks you should) rather than an inherent cable weakness.

Re: Macbook charger teardown: surprising complexity inside Apple's power adapter

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My cat destroyed mine just last night. :( He has, admittedly, destroyed some headphone cables already, but $15 + some soldering is nothing compared to $80 for my Macbook charger.

Just a vent and kind of warning: I've got cat for 1.5 year, and this confirms my impression that they are horrible animals to be pets. Clawing everything, chewing on expansive stuff, peeing, vomiting, defecating on bed, sofa, chairs. If you're considering having cat, please think twice.

I think you may be a bad cat _owner_ from the sound of it. All those behaviours are signs of an unhappy animal, partiularly urinating and defecating on furniture. Do you perhaps not devote enough time to interacting with your pet? Based on the age of the cat, you are probably through the 'aww, cute' kitten stage, and now have an adult cat, and discovering that, like any relationship, you need to invest in it to make it work.

I've had cats for the past forty years, and they make awesome pets, in my opinion.

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