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Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

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Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

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post #28

My guess is that, given the choice, practically everyone would prefer to bank with a member-owned cooperative, i.e. a credit union, than a for-profit bank owned by outside shareholders. I mean, think about it: sneaky fees and outrageous surcharges are anathema, because it's more important for members to be satisfied with their experience than to wring out every nickel and dime of profit at the expense of customer sat…

These "regulatory hurdles" that prevent credit unions from competing with banks were not created in a vacuum, they were created by the banks. No amount of Kickstarting will solve the problem of our political system's fetish for financial domination. The cause is obvious: as a for-profit institution, a bank has the money to lobby for preferable laws, let alone the laws they write themselves. If people began switching…

> The only way for this system to be fixed starts at the ballot box.

Where are you going to find politicians to vote for who cannot be influenced by money? Not on your ballot, because the one-party-with-two-wings has effectively made it illegal to run a campaign as an alternative. Greens and Libertarians are kept from the debates, kept from the ballot with restrictive measures, and certainly aren't owning the machines that "count" the ballots and determine the elections. (The election fraud from 2000 has never gone away, it just stopped being headline news. It happens in a recent past political election one of the presidential candidates called my house on election night to report their observance of the fraud- in some cases the absolute number of votes they got went down as more votes were counted. A mathematical impossibility.)

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#82
post #28

My guess is that, given the choice, practically everyone would prefer to bank with a member-owned cooperative, i.e. a credit union, than a for-profit bank owned by outside shareholders. I mean, think about it: sneaky fees and outrageous surcharges are anathema, because it's more important for members to be satisfied with their experience than to wring out every nickel and dime of profit at the expense of customer sat…

I bank with SF Fire Credit Union. They offer services to any SF resident. They gave me a line of credit, offer mortgages, online banking, free checking and saving, reimbursement for ATM fees. In other words, there is no reason to prefer Bank of America to them. So why does much of SF still use Darth Vader's bank? Americans have no one to blame but themselves. When I tell people they should divest their savings from B…

I absolutely agree. I can see no reason for an individual to use a big national bank. I've always used small local banks or credit unions (I actually moved my accounts to a credit union when my local bank was acquired by Chase).

This used to be quite easy to do, since you didn't have direct payroll deposit and never had to worry about covering more than your outstanding checks.

Now, with all kinds of automatic transactions most people have, you have to coordinate things a bit more carefully.

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#83
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bank with SF Fire Credit Union. They offer services to any SF resident. They gave me a line of credit, offer mortgages, online banking, free checking and saving, reimbursement for ATM fees. In other words, there is no reason to prefer Bank of America to them. So why does much of SF still use Darth Vader's bank? Americans have no one to blame but themselves. When I tell people they should divest their savings from B…

I absolutely agree. I can see no reason for an individual to use a big national bank. I've always used small local banks or credit unions (I actually moved my accounts to a credit union when my local bank was acquired by Chase). This used to be quite easy to do, since you didn't have direct payroll deposit and never had to worry about covering more than your outstanding checks. Now, with all kinds of automatic transa…

>Now, with all kinds of automatic transactions most people have, you have to coordinate things a bit more carefully.

I really hope this isn't the reason large banks have power (inconvenience of switching). With a whimper...

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

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Why was this "a new kind" of credit union? It seems like it was an ordinary credit union that briefly toyed with the idea of BitCoin.

The article doesn't go into much detail, but since they wanted to 'help non-profit workers and the poor' my guess is that they wanted to offer loans to high risk people and the regulators said "NOPE!"

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#85
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "regulatory hurdles" that prevent credit unions from competing with banks were not created in a vacuum, they were created by the banks. No amount of Kickstarting will solve the problem of our political system's fetish for financial domination. The cause is obvious: as a for-profit institution, a bank has the money to lobby for preferable laws, let alone the laws they write themselves. If people began switching…

> The only way for this system to be fixed starts at the ballot box. Where are you going to find politicians to vote for who cannot be influenced by money? Not on your ballot, because the one-party-with-two-wings has effectively made it illegal to run a campaign as an alternative. Greens and Libertarians are kept from the debates, kept from the ballot with restrictive measures, and certainly aren't owning the machine…

This is how our political system wants us to feel: ineffectual and powerless. Don't bother voting because none of the options are good. The system can't be fixed so you shouldn't even bother. You end up falling into the trap they set for you.

I refuse to give up on democracy, just as I refuse to give up on America.

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#86
post #29

Am I missing something? They say they have "$1 million in donations spent ... and $1 million in the bank to back any bad loans". For a bank/CU this sounds like pocket change. Later they say they have "almost unlimited capital". What gives?

That's my first reaction as well; NCUA is first, foremost and entirely concerned with solvency and capital adequacy requirements, so it's no surprise that they weren't jazzed about a tiny CU taking on high-risk and expensive products. I haven't done a CAMEL score on them (and haven't touched CU finances for several years so I'm reaching back into my memories here), but you can get their financial performance and analysis data at [1], charter number 24846.

These guys obviously had the best of intentions and a real desire to make a better world. I wish they could have found a way to clear that path, but I don't think that a CU was the right institutional form.

[1] http://fpr.ncua.gov/OnlineFPR.aspx?cu_number=24846

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary motivation was lending, as mentioned several times in the article.

He mentioned that he didn't want to start a predatory subprime loan shop. He wanted to offer non-predatory lower interest loans to higher risk clients, in concert with banking services that are difficult to provide to higher risk immigrant clients like checking and savings accounts and debit cards. But the NCUA wouldn't allow him to set interest rates lower or offer checking/debit accounts.

Sorry but this is playing with words.

If you are making loans to high risk clients, this is predatory lending. There's a reason they are high-risk: they are less likely to be able to pay the loans, or have demonstrated prior poor handling of debt. Don't be misled by "low interest" either: the "predatory lenders" in the last housing bubble were not for the most part charging exorbitant interest rates, rather they were lending far too much money to people with almost no qualifications.

If you make credit easy to get for people who can't handle it, they will end up bankrupt and the creditors will end up holding the bag.

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#88
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "regulatory hurdles" that prevent credit unions from competing with banks were not created in a vacuum, they were created by the banks. No amount of Kickstarting will solve the problem of our political system's fetish for financial domination. The cause is obvious: as a for-profit institution, a bank has the money to lobby for preferable laws, let alone the laws they write themselves. If people began switching…

The "banks writing the laws" narrative is misplaced in this context. Credit unions are tax-exempt. If you remove the mutuality restrictions applicable to them, they would not be "compet[ing] on honest terms" with commercial banks--they would have a major competitive advantage on the basis of their tax status.

Credit unions are returning most of their profits to their members through dividends (interest), so they shouldn't have a very high net income; so tax exempt status has a low financial impact. (Some of the profit is reserved as a buffer against future losses, and would need yo be taxed for an equal playing field)

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#89
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "regulatory hurdles" that prevent credit unions from competing with banks were not created in a vacuum, they were created by the banks. No amount of Kickstarting will solve the problem of our political system's fetish for financial domination. The cause is obvious: as a for-profit institution, a bank has the money to lobby for preferable laws, let alone the laws they write themselves. If people began switching…

The "banks writing the laws" narrative is misplaced in this context. Credit unions are tax-exempt. If you remove the mutuality restrictions applicable to them, they would not be "compet[ing] on honest terms" with commercial banks--they would have a major competitive advantage on the basis of their tax status.

What costs more to a small institution? Tax or regulatory compliance?

Re: Difficult Times at Our Credit Union

#90
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "banks writing the laws" narrative is misplaced in this context. Credit unions are tax-exempt. If you remove the mutuality restrictions applicable to them, they would not be "compet[ing] on honest terms" with commercial banks--they would have a major competitive advantage on the basis of their tax status.

What costs more to a small institution? Tax or regulatory compliance?

Banks have to deal with more or less the same regulatory compliance requirements.
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