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Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by sbarre »

masklinn wrote: post #108
douche wrote: post #14

Thank goodness. IE 11 has enough warts and weirdness; having to deal with all the brokenness in IE 8 was driving my front-end colleagues to alcoholism... I have a beautiful dream sometimes, where I go to work, and I only have to care about supporting Chrome...

> I have a beautiful dream sometimes, where I go to work, and I only have to care about supporting Chrome... Yes I also long for the return of the IE6 days when only one browser mattered and what it did was law. Not. Seriously folks we've already done software monopolies (not just in browsers either), it always ends up in tears. If a browser is terrible refuse to support it or ask for extra time/money for its support…

For the last few years now, we've been charging at least 20% more for the front-end dev portion of a job when IE8 support was required beyond graceful degradation.

2015 is really the year where we saw the majority of our clients drop support for IE8 altogether. Most of them showed sub-2% browser share and dropping fast in their analytics..

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by eitland »

douche wrote: post #14

Thank goodness. IE 11 has enough warts and weirdness; having to deal with all the brokenness in IE 8 was driving my front-end colleagues to alcoholism... I have a beautiful dream sometimes, where I go to work, and I only have to care about supporting Chrome...

> I have a beautiful dream sometimes, where I go to work, and I only have to care about supporting Chrome...

Replace that with IE and many of us have experienced it, we more or less had to beg for time to test in other browsers.

It was kind of a dream but more of a nightmare and I hope we don't go back there soon, neither with IE nor with Chrome.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by dbattaglia »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #35
debaserab2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... but I kinda wouldn't mind if they were all using the same open source rendering engine under the hood.

... But that's exactly what they're saying we DON'T want. A lot of browsers re-used IE 6's rendering engine because it had a monopoly. That only made the situation worse. A browser's rendering engine is the ONLY part that matters, and if anyone has a monopoly that is "bad" because competition helps innovation. Each rendering engine winds up, for good and bad, with a small group of people deciding what features do and…

I'd say the JS engine matters quite a bit as well. If Google didn't push the limits with V8 I don't think we would necessarily be in this JavaScript-all-the-things world we currently live in. Whether that is a good or bad thing is still up for debate. :)

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

watson wrote: post #46

Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time. Don't get me wrong - I think it's a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off

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Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by tow21 »

An unfortunate datapoint: for one of our products I'm still seeing >25% users on IE8.

This is a (primarily UK) product most of whose users are on internal bank networks. It's come down from about 40% 2 years ago, so it's heading in the right direction - but I'm not sure I see it going away any time soon.

There's huge organizational inertia inside these banks around IT systems - if we want to serve them, we need to support IE8 for the foreseeable future.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by OliverJones »

watson wrote: post #46

Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time. Don't get me wrong - I think it's a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off

The fake-grin people in the pictures are nurses and technicians from hospitals still stuck on IE6 because their late 1990s medical imaging ActiveX controls are bug-for-bug compatible with that wonderful piece of software.

Behind their grins are the questions, "what now?" or maybe even "where do I want to go today."

Their IT krewes are wondering, "how am I going to get the CFO to approve an upgrade to the GE medical imaging suite? we've been out of maintenance for 15 years."

And their info security guy is considering seeking asylum in a foreign country.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by _ao789 »

uxwtf wrote: post #87
maxwellito wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The happy faces on the page are front end developers. This is a dream day for them.

Such a relief for front-end people. We'll be finally free of workarounds for IE.

oh, that's what you think..

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by jvehent »

uxwtf wrote: post #87
maxwellito wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The happy faces on the page are front end developers. This is a dream day for them.

Such a relief for front-end people. We'll be finally free of workarounds for IE.

Microsoft not supporting older IE doesn't mean front-end people won't have to if their sites have users who don't upgrade.

It just means Microsoft can't be bothered to ship patches for those older browsers.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Post by nikbackm »

jakswa wrote: post #3
stephenr wrote: post #2

From the document - "older" means < 11.

The latest IE for Vista SP2 looks to be IE9, so it looks like it'll continue to receive updates. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle#gp/Microsoft-I...

But then only on Vista SP2 and not e.g. Windows 7/8/10 I would assume.
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