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Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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The OP says "Fortune 5". The candidates are Walmart, Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Berkshire Hathaway, and Apple. Which one of those has super bowl ads and uses Akamai? There's your answer.

and the commenter also says in another thread: "I run an entire data center of Slackware Linux on Dell servers." so, definitely not apple. which leads me to think all that is BS and they just have too much time on their hands.

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Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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From my extremely limited knowledge, and mainly from reading, and reading between the line on others people's view.

I think Marrissa will be a great COO, but she lacks the vision.

Even people who used to work with her ( Eric Schmidt) had said she is the most quantitative CEO in silicon valley, if not the world. And from many other pieces of information she likes to measure everything, from colour, design or human aspect.

But that is the problem. You cant measure something now and tell you what happens in the future. If you could do that you would be rich in no time. You want to steer the ship to the right direction.

She believe she can Buy into talents with the so called talent acquisition. But if the company are doing some work they love, they will leave. It really is that simple. Talents have no problem finding different Jobs, so you need to do something rather then paying them higher.

Sense of priority, what needs to be done first, it seems to me they are lack of focus. Google too, but google dont have the financial problem yahoo has.

The lack of taste. There, quote from Steve Jobs. I dont know how to say it better.

Sometimes I wish i could get to say a few words direct to Marissa. From a user perspective.

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Even the best idea will face the hostility of a management that brought the company to where it is today. It never works.

Definitely. Everyone who is there now and especially rose through the ranks at some point stood behind and toed the line that brought them to that point ("Cheered for more desktop ads, agreed and liked the 'Mavens' metric"). Now they'd face a significant cognitive dissonance if they did an about face and said "Yap that was stupid, what were we thinking!?". It just doesn't happen. It can only happen with new people, s…

If they lay off the right people, it's more likely good people would want to go work there. Those good people would be able to make more progress with less unnecessary pushback from people experiencing cognitive dissonance, and the layoffs would slow and ultimately hiring (of more good people) could pick up.

McKinsey isn't going to get them there. That's a move of a dying company. Marissa Mayer needs to do this herself. If she doesn't know who the right people are to keep versus release, that's a bad sign.

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why not just say what company that is?

The OP says "Fortune 5". The candidates are Walmart, Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Berkshire Hathaway, and Apple. Which one of those has super bowl ads and uses Akamai? There's your answer.

It wont be Berkshire Hathway for sure, one of its subsidiaries like Gieco

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I think you're missing the forest from the trees. Monopolies in software are created through excellence. If Facebook "has social" that's because they were and still are the best social network. Of course, now that they are big, they've got a huge lock-in effect, but that's besides the point. Microsoft "has the OS" (and I might add Office) because Windows really has been the best general purpose, generally available O…

No doubt you need to be excellent to create a monopoly (maintenance mode is much easier). But you also need the ingredients for it to exist in the first place (network effect, high value/exclusive/monetize-able data, high competitive barriers). Did Yahoo ever have a market like that, except with search early on? (They might have been able to do something interesting with messaging or mail early on to lock in those us…

I think Yahoo has had multiple interesting projects of enormous potential.

Yahoo.com, the homepage itself, has been and still is amongst the most trafficked websites on the Internet. Even now it's in top 5, coming before Amazon, Wikipedia or Twitter. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites

Yahoo Mail existed before Gmail and I don't know what happens in other countries, but in my country Yahoo Mail is still the most popular web mail. But they've been bleeding marketshare, because frankly, Yahoo Mail sucks due to poor UI, poor spam filters and stupid restrictions (like they wouldn't allow POP unless you had a paid subscription). Compare with Gmail and the rise of Google Apps. Gmail with btw keeps people locked in Google's ecosystem, along with Android, insuring that Google's search engine also dominates mobile, because that's how complementaries work.

Yahoo Messenger was a natural extension of Yahoo Mail. In my country everybody was on Yahoo Messenger. It had enormous potential for building a social network and they even made a half assed attempt. Nowadays that's been replaced by Facebook and Skype. Even Hangouts is more popular amongst my acquaintances, because Yahoo Messenger also sucks and it's basically dead.

Flickr has been and is still is the best service for amateur and even professional photographers to share their stuff. Photo sharing is a really big market. Facebook, Instagram, Google Photos, Imgur, Reddit all of them have a place in photo sharing, plus I feel there's still enormous untapped potential in this place. But ALAS they let it stagnate, though I appreciate that in 2015 we finally have mobile apps. But then the Pro subscriptions are now more expensive and make absolutely no sense, as you're paying for something you can get with an ad-blocker - a fatal combination IMHO. I was a Pro subscriber in the past, but not anymore.

Their Search could still be a credible competitor. They just made a deal with Mozilla for distributing Firefox with Yahoo's search by default. But on one hand they ditched their own technology, now relying on Bing for their own results. And also they bring nothing new, while being inferior. They could at least take a stance on privacy, I mean if you can't compete by being superior, at least compete by being the ethical choice. But no. And I'm pretty sure many Firefox users simply switch back to Google, just like myself.

Delicious, just like Google Reader, had enormous potential for a specialized social network of things. They couldn't see value in it and sold it. Oh well.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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If you strip out the Alibaba and Yahoo Japan stakes, the market is valuing Yahoo's "core" at less than $8bn. It has $5.88bn of cash, cash equivalents and short-term marketable securities on its balance sheet, which means that the core business is valued at less $1.5bn.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UHMfzlmE7HXY_ph9BN68...

The balance sheet figure for "Property and equipment" is higher than that.

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/YHOO/900583056x0x1637...

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Saying that Google has search wrapped up today is about like saying that BlackBerry had the smartphone market wrapped up in 2007. The space is ripe for upheaval.

Where exactly do you see search going that Google isn't already super invested in (NLP, speech recognition, Google Now integration)?

Here's a thought:

There's a field where Google has been doing slightly worse as time goes by: questionable search. It's a running joke by now that Bing's video search is much better for searching porn that Youtube. Similarly, searching for " full album mp3 download" on Google is bound to return useless websites. Sometimes the actual results are to be found inside the text of a DMCA takedown notice, meaning that Google has the result, but refuses to show it to you.

And speaking of bad results, some specific terms (such as moving companies) are so full of SEO garbage that there's no way to get a reliable result.

There's definitely room for competition - otherwise, DuckDuckGo would have been out of business by now.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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Whenever I see a struggling company like this I ask myself the simple question. If the company didn't exist, would there be a need to create it? In the case of Yahoo I think the answer is no. If they disappeared tomorrow there would be no compelling reason for others to try and fill the gap it left behind. Hell, I doubt most people would even noticed they had gone. So they need to build a new business from the dying…

I object only on the grounds that Flickr is the only good photo site for people who really care about their photos. Having tried to use 500px for a few months, they cannot even manage to do album privacy correctly.

I had such high hopes for 500px when I tried to switch over a year (I even paid upfront before fully testing it). The features just didn't compare to Flickr.

On the other hand, Flickr's admin UI starting to fill up with crap I don't about, like creating mugs and books and shit. Fair enough, they're trying to make money, but that stuff has no place on the main interface.

It's still the easiest place for me to store and share photos, however.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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If you strip out the Alibaba and Yahoo Japan stakes, the market is valuing Yahoo's "core" at less than $8bn. It has $5.88bn of cash, cash equivalents and short-term marketable securities on its balance sheet, which means that the core business is valued at less $1.5bn. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UHMfzlmE7HXY_ph9BN68... The balance sheet figure for "Property and equipment" is higher than that. http://file…

In fact it doesn't mean that. Its the assets on Yahoo's balance sheet that are being discounted by investors. Yahoo's business receives a multiple rather than a discount - whether that's a multiple on sales or earnings.

Cash and assets held on a corporate balance sheet are basically never $1 to $1 accounted for in a market cap. You can easily see that in action on the balance sheets of: Berkshire Hathaway, Apple, Comcast, Time Warner Cable.

Are we to pretend that Berkshire Hathaway's business is worth ~$140 billion after we strip out all of its assets (cash, stock holdings etc)? So its earnings are getting a 7 or 8 multiple? Obviously that's not actually how valuations work. If you stripped out all of their assets, they'd very likely still get a fair market valuation on the operating business and its potential, perhaps 13-15 times earnings.

A similar bogus claim was made that Yahoo was worth less than zero, when its Alibaba stake was at its peak. That's not actually how things work in reality, that scenario solely exists in a calculation.

In reality, if you spin off all of Yahoo's assets (specifically Japan / Alibaba), the business would still be given a multiple, a meaningful valuation. Even lowly AOL was still worth $4.4 billion in the Verizon acquisition, and Yahoo's business is two to three times more valuable than that.

There isn't a single example in the public market, in which a corporation with a relatively clean balance sheet, and $4 billion in sales, is given a negative ~$X billion valuation - much less a company that has historically been given high valuations as a semi-tech company. Which proves how absurdly wrong the negative value premise is (or the $1 to $1 asset discounting method applied to the assets, which are clearly not worth $1 to $1 in the market cap given taxation issues alone).

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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If you strip out the Alibaba and Yahoo Japan stakes, the market is valuing Yahoo's "core" at less than $8bn. It has $5.88bn of cash, cash equivalents and short-term marketable securities on its balance sheet, which means that the core business is valued at less $1.5bn. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UHMfzlmE7HXY_ph9BN68... The balance sheet figure for "Property and equipment" is higher than that. http://file…

In fact it doesn't mean that. Its the assets on Yahoo's balance sheet that are being discounted by investors. Yahoo's business receives a multiple rather than a discount - whether that's a multiple on sales or earnings. Cash and assets held on a corporate balance sheet are basically never $1 to $1 accounted for in a market cap. You can easily see that in action on the balance sheets of: Berkshire Hathaway, Apple, Com…

> In reality, if you spin off all of Yahoo's assets (specifically Japan / Alibaba), the business would still be given a multiple, a meaningful valuation.

I'm sure it would but right now, the sum of the parts is greater than the market value of the whole. That says something about investors' expectations for the future prospects of the company.

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