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Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

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Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#41

Wow, I'm all for EOL'ing old versions of IE, but I'm surprised at the complete lack of notice (on a corporate scale). Was this known to be in the works for a while? My thinking is just that most larger companies will have zero chance of hitting a January deadline, and once the deadline passes, there's really no urgency to upgrade by any particular time. I would think a ~12 month deadline might be more effective in ge…

This was announced in August 2014: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-dat...

Cool, thanks. Perhaps a year and a half is too long! More likely I just didn't notice at the time since I don't use IE.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#42
Apologies for the rant, but this is the second article today that I've seen about a company discontinuing support for outdated software. (The other being a gnu rant about Windows not supporting XP.) And there was a third a couple days ago about an open source community announcing pending EOL of an old version.

What bugs me is so many negative comments along the lines of "What about all those poor helpless trillion dollar megacorporations that are stuck on an old version because they use proprietary custom software? Microsoft is evil because they don't guarantee to support and repair everything that they've ever made for free until the heat death of the universe!"

Those companies and organizations are stuck not because of Microsoft, but because they mismanaged their own proprietary software or web applications. For more than a decade, they never even bothered to plan for maintenance, although they routinely plan, budget, and schedule depreciation and maintenance for everything else in the business - things that move much slower than software and far far slower than web development. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but that's their fault, not Microsoft's.

My Windows machine is still on Windows 7 now, and not ready to upgrade to 10 yet due to compatibility issues. But I have 4 more years to get things working in a virtual environment, or find replacements. Software that I run dates back to the 70s, so some didn't work by default in 7, but in the end there was only 1 program that I couldn't replace or get working with an upgrade or VM. I reverse engineered the data to migrate it (it used an obsolete floating point format from before floating point ops were standard in PCs). If I can do that, a company or large organization can do it.

For web software, the pace of the state of the art is even faster. Most anything over a few years old probably needs a rewrite and data migration if it hasn't been maintained properly (and possibly even if it has). Especially anything that used old plugins.

But the focus on browser versions is weird. I strongly dislike the practice of web developers/designers speaking of 'supporting' IE6/IE8 or whatever. That's a Microsoft product, Microsoft supports it or not, you and I don't. We support the websites that we build, which we build to current industry standards (such as they are). If you try to access it using a nonstandard client like IE6, Arachne running on DOS, Hyperlink on a C64, or a line mode browser on a teletype, then your experience will be different. The server side will work fine, but your client may not do what it's not capable of.

You can't expect to stick a blu-ray disc on a record player or shove a flash drive full of MP3s into an 8-track tape deck and have the end-user experience be the same. It just doesn't work that way. Sure we can try to build custom client-side workarounds, but is that worth the cost (especially given that new browsers are free)?

Overheard at a meeting once:

Client: "Our stats say that'll be fine for our customers, but our executive team mostly has older versions of IE, so this won't work for them. We don't want it to look bad to the CEO."

3rd Party Agency Manager: "We'll order new laptops for them and have them delivered, just tell us how many and where to send them. It will be much cheaper for you and save us all a lot of time."

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#43
post #40

Some of the lower tier (but very common) LAN network hardware requires old versions of IE to function during firmware upgrades and configuration changes with no CLI equivalent options. In most cases the hardware vendors never address the browser compatibility issue (due to focus on new products) and only provide a warning sign upon login. Likewise the hardware isn't easy to replace in some environments. This use case…

Use the old, unsupported, insecure browser only during those upgrades and a modern browser for everyday use. The end-of-life-ed browsers will continue functioning, they just won't get updated. Might require use of a VM, but the cost of that added complexity is vastly inferior to what web developers worldwide spend supporting those old browsers.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#44
post #14

Thank goodness. IE 11 has enough warts and weirdness; having to deal with all the brokenness in IE 8 was driving my front-end colleagues to alcoholism... I have a beautiful dream sometimes, where I go to work, and I only have to care about supporting Chrome...

Make sure you're raising issues on Microsoft Connect for those warts - the dev team does listen.

I'm not affiliated, but I reported issues for Xbox One's Edge browser and got a positive response. Time will tell if it actually gets fixed, though.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#45

Apologies for the rant, but this is the second article today that I've seen about a company discontinuing support for outdated software. (The other being a gnu rant about Windows not supporting XP.) And there was a third a couple days ago about an open source community announcing pending EOL of an old version. What bugs me is so many negative comments along the lines of "What about all those poor helpless trillion do…

> "You can't expect to stick a blu-ray disc on a record player or shove a flash drive full of MP3s into an 8-track tape deck and have the end-user experience be the same. It just doesn't work that way."

Can anyone disagree with this analogy? If not, I'm going to start using it all the time!

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#46
Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time.

Don't get me wrong - I think it's a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#47
post #46

Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time. Don't get me wrong - I think it's a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off

Hey, they're probably happy as heck to be free of the enterprise support burden.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#48

Wow, I'm all for EOL'ing old versions of IE, but I'm surprised at the complete lack of notice (on a corporate scale). Was this known to be in the works for a while? My thinking is just that most larger companies will have zero chance of hitting a January deadline, and once the deadline passes, there's really no urgency to upgrade by any particular time. I would think a ~12 month deadline might be more effective in ge…

I think a lot of people would have seen this coming, I'm surprised they 'supported' older browsers for so long.

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#49
post #46

Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time. Don't get me wrong - I think it's a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off

it sounds like you criticizing our stock art photo overlords..

Re: Support for older versions of Internet Explorer ends on January 12, 2016

#50
post #46

Am I the only one who finds all the happy faces Microsoft have injected into the page a bit weird? It feels like they are trying to sell me some bad news but make me feel happy at the same time. Don't get me wrong - I think it's a good move to discontinue support for older IE versions... There is just something with all the smiling and laughing faces all over the page that make all my alarms go off

I don't think it's weird at all, and it's probably a deliberate design choice by the developer that made this page. They've probably probably suffered for years because of IE's poor support for standards and other quirks. I think it's a mini celebration by way of design!
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