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https://fair.io/ It's made by them as well. It most certainly is not libre/free software. I'm guessing it has minimal legal ability to stand up in court. It is a bastardization of what open source is about... really it's more of a disclosed source setup.
It's definitely not GNU OSS. If that's your ideology, this is not going to appeal to you. IANAL, but my understanding of the license is that it's trying to build a new economic model for OSS contributors. I'm pretty excited to see if it takes off, since I think OSS could use some new thinking in this area.
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Re: Sourcegraph: self-hosted Git service with semantic code navigation/search/review
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://fair.io/ It's made by them as well. It most certainly is not libre/free software. I'm guessing it has minimal legal ability to stand up in court. It is a bastardization of what open source is about... really it's more of a disclosed source setup.
Open source is about the source being open plus certain benefits. Free and open source software, a la Richard Stallman, is a totally different thing with a philosophy akin to how a virus operates. A glance at fair.io shows an interesting attempt to provide OSS under a proprietary model. Many businesses are fine with whatever gets the job done with main benefits of OSS being reviewing, extending, or just fixing things…
from https://fair.io/:
> We invite the entire coding community to adopt our simple, standardized, proprietary license.
> No. Unlike open source, Fair Source has a Use Limitation built into the license
Re: Sourcegraph: self-hosted Git service with semantic code navigation/search/review
#43This looks really great, thanks for making it open-source and for releasing https://fair.io as a new license model. One thing that you should know is that your 'appdash' trace links are publicly available. You can see a screenshot here https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfu2sbz2ctlxwsx/Screenshot%202015-...
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#44What on earth is that license?
https://fair.io/ It's made by them as well. It most certainly is not libre/free software. I'm guessing it has minimal legal ability to stand up in court. It is a bastardization of what open source is about... really it's more of a disclosed source setup.
Re: Sourcegraph: self-hosted Git service with semantic code navigation/search/review
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When you go to the source link at https://src.sourcegraph.com/sourcegraph and look at the LICENSE file, it says: "Use Limitation: 15 users" That implies that the project there is the full Enterprise version? Is there a separate link or some dividing line to the Core source? Or how does one build or access just the core features to abide by the licensing terms if you're a team larger than 15 and want to evaluate Core…
After comparing the features of Core and Enterprise, it looks like the Core package is not self-hosted à la non-enterprise github. And the source at https://src.sourcegraph.com/sourcegraph seems to be the Enterprise version – minus 24/7 technical support and automatic backups I'd say.
Sourcegraph Enterprise includes the additional features mentioned in the pricing section on https://sourcegraph.com that are specific to very large companies.
Sorry about the confusion. Anything we can do to make that clearer?
Re: Sourcegraph: self-hosted Git service with semantic code navigation/search/review
#46This looks really great, thanks for making it open-source and for releasing https://fair.io as a new license model. One thing that you should know is that your 'appdash' trace links are publicly available. You can see a screenshot here https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfu2sbz2ctlxwsx/Screenshot%202015-...
So, a question that immediately arose for me out of reading that license: what's the definition of a user? If I wanted to use this to self-host my own projects, is everyone on the internet a user? Am I limited to 15 collaborators on my project unless I pony up? Is that 15 collaborators over all of time, or within some time interval?
What if I, as an individual, fork the project to add some breaking features that not all users may want? Who gets the money from those corporate licensors? Am I even allowed to do so? The fair.io site doesn't make it clear and based on what they do say, I'd be extremely hesitant to make anything more than casual use of software under this license.
It seems to me, based on the information on fair.io that I can simply fork the project, offer enterprise licenses for $0.01, or heck, make a fork for my company which is identical to the original but has my logo on it and charge my company $0 for licensing... is there any prevention of this that I'm missing? IANAL but this legal portion here looks flimsy and lacks important definitions, especially with regards to protections from stuff like that.
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#47Sourcegraph CEO here. We have large enterprise customers using Sourcegraph and are excited to release it publicly (with source code) so anyone can start using Sourcegraph for their team's code. Feedback is much appreciated! More info at the announcement blog post ( https://sourcegraph.com/blog/133554180524/announcing-the-sou... ) and at https://sourcegraph.com .
From the examples listed @ https://src.sourcegraph.com/sourcegraph I'm struggling to 'get' how this differs from GitHub? E.g. the "Better code reviews" example looks very similar to GH. What am I missing?
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It's definitely not GNU OSS. If that's your ideology, this is not going to appeal to you. IANAL, but my understanding of the license is that it's trying to build a new economic model for OSS contributors. I'm pretty excited to see if it takes off, since I think OSS could use some new thinking in this area.
Okay explain to how forking would work with this license. Forking a project is a huge part of creating a OSS community. Would licensing have to go to both parties? I don't see any explanation of how it would work for this license.
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So, a question that immediately arose for me out of reading that license: what's the definition of a user? If I wanted to use this to self-host my own projects, is everyone on the internet a user? Am I limited to 15 collaborators on my project unless I pony up? Is that 15 collaborators over all of time, or within some time interval?
I really do not like this license, it prevents usage with other licensing models near completely. Say I want to integrate their code intelligence into gitlab community (MIT licensed), I'm shit out of luck, even if I were to create a relicensed version of gitlab under the Sourcegraph license, it seems as though it'd be unclear who gets what fees and who counts as a "user" in this case. Would it force me as a devleoper…