How I’m Handling My Depression Using an App
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you need to solve yourself, emerge victorious over > your inner demon I can't begin to describe how offensively stupid this idea is. To get over the dark days, you need to fix the chemical imbalance in your head. The solution is not "to solve yourself". The solution is to take appropriate medication. Or, ya know, your mileage may vary.
Most doctors, even those working with mental health, don't believe the chemical imbalance stuff. That's why recommended first line treatment for mild to moderate depression is a talking therapy.
(Though I agree that mental meds are fairly shitty overall. Particularly anti-depressants and anti-psychotics. And they're really heavy treatments with potentially horrible side effects, so a talking therapy makes sense as it won't, for instance, cause your skin to die and fall off unlike some meds. Docs seem sorta-OK prescribing amphetamines in combination, but vastly more hesitant to even consider opiate treatment for depression.)
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#73Natural processes are the best way to cure depression. I battled depression for years, and I am so grateful that I managed to fight that daemon off. For anyone suffering from depression, I recommend something that has helped me a lot. It is James Gordon’s system at http://lookingupstuff.com/mentalhealth/2015/02/06/how-to-des... He is a former depression sufferer, and teaches a totally natural 7 step process which rel…
If depression can be cured with information alone, this information should be freely available on the internet!
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but from reading the article it seems that social isolation as a matter of lifestyle is the elephant in the room. If he has to be held accountable through an app, it would suggest that there's no people present throughout the day to hold him accountable. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's less absurd than assuming we just need a whip when we're down. This isn't an unemployed person feeling like they're not contributin…
My first thought after reading that he's a freelance web developer was "get an office job". I know from experience that working alone for an extended period of time can get you down easily.
There's just no way I can do my job writing software with constant interruptions; it takes too much focus.
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#75At first glance this sort of approach seems also to be applicable to some anxiety disorders, but from how I understand cognitive behavioural therapy, applying such a method might be a bad thing to do...
Some anxiety disorders makes you, such as mentioned in the article, "[...] procrastinate over all kinds of jobs from the most basic domestic tasks to the really important stuff [...]". One consequence can be that you rely on others to make you do them. For example if you have an anxiety disorder and you get anxious over planning a trip, you might tell a friend to help you do it. Now the anxiety could take another form, which makes you get anxious if you have not had your plan, as in this example, reviewed by a friend.
This could make it worse; You have task X that makes you anxious (planning trips, in the example), you invent task Y (seeking help from a friend, in the example) to relieve your anxiety for that task, but now when you try to perform task X, you get anxious if you have not done Y. Meaning to solve the underlying problem of breaking your behavioural pattern, you have to not only solve the behavioural pattern that makes you anxious over X, but also stop using Y, which was not there from the beginning (or might have been enhanced from applying this new behavioural pattern).
This is how I have come to understand a part of cognitive behavioural therapy, and I could definitely see how, if I were to use an app like this, I would start using it to relieve my anxiety by inventing a new behavioural pattern (i.e. using the app) that does not solve the problem, but instead induces anxiety over not using the app.
This article makes me then wonder, could a similar thing happen to someone with depression? (EDIT: Perhaps like p4wnc6 mentions in a comment below.)
It was pointed out to me that there might be a form of an app however that might be good in the realm of cognitive behavioural therapy in application to anxiety. One method of facing your problem is to get a realistic view of your expectations and realise your behavioural patterns to be able to break them. For example, one method is to have a thought-diary, where you record your thoughts on a regular basis so that, even without reviewing past entries, you at least start consciously thinking about what thoughts are, for example, inducing anxiety. So perhaps a tool that would help you recognize thought/behavioural patterns would be more safe (in the sense of the philosophy of cognitive behavioural therapy) to use.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most doctors, even those working with mental health, don't believe the chemical imbalance stuff. That's why recommended first line treatment for mild to moderate depression is a talking therapy.
Really? That's not what any of the doctors I've or people I've dealt with have said or act like. Even my psychologist (who can't rx) was fairly insistent that without medication there was only so far she could go and refusal to take it was a problem. Then there's the fact that a lot of people end up on anti-depressants and feel much better and are happy with the result.) (Though I agree that mental meds are fairly sh…
The doctors I work with prescribe cognitive behavioral therapy as the first hand treatment for depression and antidepressant when therapy is ineffective (which isn't all that common).
One of the reasons that antidepressant are so widespread is that doctors are usually in charge of treatment and seldom perform therapy but are very used to prescribing medication.
Also the fact that millions of people are depressed makes it hard to give everyone access to therapy.
In my opinion it is much harder to treat a patient on antidepressant since they respond worse to treatment then a depressed patient who is not on medication.
Depression is a devastating disease but it is astounding how effective therapy can be for a lot of patients.
I regularly meet patients who are very depressed when we first meet who manage to overcome their depression in a couple of weeks.
Physical activity is also very good at treating depression.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17437199.2015.102...
If everyone would exercise the demand for therapists would be much lower.
One mistake that many depressed patients make is holding a strong view that they are a person who suffers from depression.
This keeps the patient from realising that depression is a condition caused by their interaction with the environment and that it isn't personal.
I think one problem with the article is that it seems that the person still views herself in this way instead of fully realising whatever it is that is needed for keeping him/her from becoming depressed again.
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#77If you'd like to read yogic prospective on depression [0] is a good start. [1] is a book on the same by the article's author Om Swami. However, let me warn you that this will venture you into concepts of human body you have likely not heard of and which has not been studied extensively by modern medical science. However, it's heavily researched and applied at least for thousands of years in India etc. >>> Depression…
[EDIT: of course, if you're able to undertake therapy without the help of medication, you should definitely do it! I'm talking about severe depression below.]
I really wish I could downvote you more than once, just because of this sentence. It's downright irresponsible to say such things.
While depression may be a psychological problem in most cases, it is not always so. There are genuine neurological reasons for depression, and trying to "heal" these without the help of medication won't work. Moreover, with strong depression, it's impossible to even start any kind of non-pharmaceutical treatment. Really, people who say "don't take pills, just meditate/sing psalms/exercise/or something" don't know what they're talking about. The whole point of depression is that the patient has no desire to get better, he just won't meditate, no matter what you say. Or he will try it once if you're lucky and then get back to doing whatever his depression makes him do (you're lucky if it's simply doing nothing instead of trying to commit suicide).
Medication - ideally - makes a depressed person able to start recovering. It makes depression symptoms lessen to some extent, hopefully enough for a patient to be able to work with a psychologist.
Depression is a very severe illness. It's not "feeling sad from time to time". It's an illness which leads to death in some cases! It's a very serious condition, and saying otherwise, saying it's easy to fight against it if you know some "techniques" or other is actively harming people with this condition. Please stop doing that.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most doctors, even those working with mental health, don't believe the chemical imbalance stuff. That's why recommended first line treatment for mild to moderate depression is a talking therapy.
Really? That's not what any of the doctors I've or people I've dealt with have said or act like. Even my psychologist (who can't rx) was fairly insistent that without medication there was only so far she could go and refusal to take it was a problem. Then there's the fact that a lot of people end up on anti-depressants and feel much better and are happy with the result.) (Though I agree that mental meds are fairly sh…
I wonder, do opiates have any positive effect on depression? Short- or long-term? What about physical dependency? What about psychological addiction?
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#79For these reason, instead of replying to every comment right now I will write a follow up post which discussions much of the feedback, suggestions, alternatives and offers of help. I hope that you will read it.
I will however then come back and reply to specifics here and respond to every email.
Thanks a lot for your support and stay strong if you're in a low position. Try to find solace in the fact that you aren't alone.
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#80It sounds like what the author is looking for is accountability. It was difficult, but I eventually found a reliable person on Craigslist to call me daily to check-in on my progress towards my goals and habits. I had a lot of success with this and eventually started a business to make it easier for other people to sign up for daily personal check-in calls: http://www.personalcheckin.com/ (I later sold the company whe…