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Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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“I was wearing my Spiderman costume,” Tom, now five, remembers. I couldn't read past this. No... he doesn't remember that.

My earliest memory was when I was about 2 years old, so it's not surprising that this could be true. Yes, it could be the case that the mother's retelling of the story is now the basis for Tom's "memory", but why abandon the entire article over such a trivial point?

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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I feel like we are confusing children with people that have actual gender identity issues. My 5 year old can decide what her favorite color is, much less what gender she wants to be the rest of her life.

Just my experience: My wife worked in contact with a child that, years later, happend to be one of the earliest officialy recognized trangender of the country at the age of nine. My wife realized this child was a transgender, very probably earlier than their parents. She saw it clearly in the behaviour, preferences, movements. Is not that someone asked the child about it, but that the child acts and strongly feels so…

It seems very odd to have any notion of real gender issues until you've at least gone through puberty and have actually developed the sexual characteristics of your biological sex.

I'm admittedly skeptical about a 9 year old being trans.

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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“I was wearing my Spiderman costume,” Tom, now five, remembers. I couldn't read past this. No... he doesn't remember that.

Remember what? If you mean memories when people were that young, trust me, you'd be surprised about human memory.

I still remember my 3.5-year-old self trying to type some simple first grade calculations with MS Word 97 and print them. And I didn't knew English back then.

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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“I was wearing my Spiderman costume,” Tom, now five, remembers. I couldn't read past this. No... he doesn't remember that.

Bold of you to say that, given that memories like this are not unusual. Children are much better at recalling early childhood memories than will be when older: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/08/29918944...

Memory is also reinforced by recollection and rehearsal. Since this was a pivotal thing in both his and his mom's life, it presumably has been talked about more than just this once.

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If I had grown up in a culture this accepting of transgender people I would have transitioned. That would have been the worst decision of my life. I've grown into my identity as a man since then and I'm thankful for my parents and society pushing me in the right direction. We need to be careful to avoid putting borderline cases like me into a group with such high rates of suicide and depression.

This is interesting. Given the drastic and irreversible nature of surgical gender reassignment, if gender identity is not fixed then we need to be aware of this. Does anyone have any idea what proportion of people who feel they are the wrong gender change their mind over time?

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The worrisome thing here is that batman outfits and swords are used as proof of the "boy" identity and pink princess stuff as proof of the "girl" identity. This is complete crap - gender roles are not dictated by which aisle of Toys 'R' Us you favor. I am willing to grant that the children profiled in the article aren't just in it for the toys, but the author is encouraging this perception, and I have seen more than…

And you're right; these are totally two separate things (cross-dressing, for example, is not much of an indicator as to whether someone is transgender or not.) Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want, but nobody should take what they wear as an indicator as to what gender they would be more comfortable as.

>Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want

I am none too keen seeing young girls wearing heavy make up. Children should be able to be children and not little adults.

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you're right; these are totally two separate things (cross-dressing, for example, is not much of an indicator as to whether someone is transgender or not.) Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want, but nobody should take what they wear as an indicator as to what gender they would be more comfortable as.

>Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want I am none too keen seeing young girls wearing heavy make up. Children should be able to be children and not little adults.

What is inherently "adult" about makeup?

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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I feel like we are confusing children with people that have actual gender identity issues. My 5 year old can decide what her favorite color is, much less what gender she wants to be the rest of her life.

> My 5 year old can decide what her favorite color is, > much less what gender she wants to be the rest of her > life. I think you may be confusing gender dysphoria with people waking up one day and thinking "Heck, it'd be kinda cool to be another gender!", rather than a pervasive and persistent deeply held belief that their body is wrong.

>rather than a pervasive and persistent deeply held belief that their body is wrong.

There have been cases of children and young teenagers who have such beliefs, and then change their minds when they're adults. This may not be the norm, but I think it's important that children and teenagers don't undergo irreversible transition treatment. Thankfully, I believe there are many reversible treatments, like puberty blockers.

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Now, that said, kids should be free to wear whatever the hell they want I am none too keen seeing young girls wearing heavy make up. Children should be able to be children and not little adults.

What is inherently "adult" about makeup?

I am not talking about children playing with mum’s make up - I am talking about young girls being peer pressured into wearing heavy make up at an age they don’t need it. It is an arms race that no young kids need.

On this topic I really hope men can continue to resist the cosmetics industry. I have zero desire to see it become the expected social norm like it has for women.

Re: Transgender children and gender dysphoria

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If I had grown up in a culture this accepting of transgender people I would have transitioned. That would have been the worst decision of my life. I've grown into my identity as a man since then and I'm thankful for my parents and society pushing me in the right direction. We need to be careful to avoid putting borderline cases like me into a group with such high rates of suicide and depression.

You know, I haven't seen any good evidence that transitioning causes high rates of suicide or depression. I'd be very surprised if suicidal inclinations aren't present in people that go for physical alteration to a much higher degree. The reason is, if you're happy, there's no need to take such a risky course of action. If you're unhappy, this is one way you might try to fix things. Then you're still unhappy, and you've run out of options.
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