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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Then it's not unlimited and should not be billed as such.

Have you ever worked for a large company? It's unlimited by policy rather than by hewing to minimum government standards or gain-weeks-by-seniority as has been the case for 80 years. That's the point. There's no confusion here except to be pedantic.

Worked at such companies for the last 15 years or so. Took a full month of paid leave when my son was born. The same company now has a 3 month parental leave.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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I am astounded that you're astounded. Seems like common sense advice to me: put your family ahead of everything else. That's what I do, anyway. Once "everything else" starts to interfere, I make sure to change my circumstances to make sure that my family gets the attention it so richly deserves.

Did it ever occur to you, that, outside of this issue, I'm actually well compensated, well-treated, I work on a good team of motivated people, and I'm well-respected for what I do? As I've said earlier, I have more leave to take than this because I have banked overtime that I can draw upon, and I have a fantastic boss who helped me make a plan to take the (paid) leave I need. All that does not mean that I can't comme…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Sorry, but this is probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read on HN.

Why don't you enlighten us with a rebuttal, then?

If we're looking to figure out who should and should not be allowed to reproduce, I would start with the people who actually believe they're superior, and should be privileged by law in some way, just because they might have more money in their bank account.

Those are the kinds of traits (whether genetic or not) that we should be trying to expunge from the population.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Doesn't facebook gives dads four months leave? the message here could be hey, taking the full leave might make you look like lazy, the boss only took two months.

You can take them in several periods. In Mark’s case, a long contiguous departure puts a lot on Sheryl Sandberg’s shoulders; she recently lost her husband and has children of her own, so that might not be ideal. Internally, Mark’s work ethic is… known to be high, and less a model than the many other employees who become parents. Because employees tend to be Facebook-friends with everyone they know internally, you see…

DOES it put a "lot on her shoulders"? Does it really? At a company as large as Facebook, is there ever really so much riding on any particular person in management? I doubt it.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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What kind of message does it send? Take two months off when you could afford to retire? If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website, take a few years off and then go a little Bill Gates, a little Elon Musk. I guess this is why I'm not a successful businessman.

Yeah, if he had waned to make money he had plenty of opportunities before Facebook even went public. He has a vision and he is executing it in all his power, never worrying about how much he earns. This reminds of something Vij Rajarajan(big boss in MSFT) told about - "I have realized almost everything in life is a paradox. If you want to grow in your current role you might think you have to not help out others and w…

Missionary vs Mercenary.

And surprisingly, the missionary ends up making more money.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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I took a little over three months off when my first child was born, and am in the process of taking the full four months for my second child. I know a half dozen people who have had children while working at Facebook and all of them have taken all (or almost all) of that time. I never felt pressure not to take leave. The hardest part was convincing myself that things would keep running without me.

wow that makes me want to apply at facebook

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Yes, it's such obvious common-sense advice that you presuming he has never heard it is arrogant. The problem is not the advice; it's you appointing yourself qualified to lecture somebody with little understanding of their situation.

It's advice that I acted upon in 2014, when I realized,as we were about to try for pregnancy #1, that my then-employer was untenable. No promotion potential, mandatory 20+ hours a week of unpaid overtime, lots of deployments (up to 6 months a year away from home), no commonality with engineering done anywhere else...I moved and got the job I have now with hyphenated-corporation. It's big and evil, sure, but my immedi…

Mistake #2 is being loyal. That's a surefire way to never get anywhere. For me it's a learned skill to be sure. I learned it when I saw that people whom management is afraid to lose are promoted ahead of everybody else. So I make sure my managers know that I re-evaluate my options about once a year. I'm also "well respected" and paid very well, but unless things are going spectacularly well for me, no one is under an impression that I'll stick around. I think it's fair. Those same people would fire my ass if they weren't getting good value out of me, so it follows that I should do the same and expect good value out of them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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>Microsoft software was not 'utter crap'. it wasn't but... >Word won by virtue of being better than WordPerfect. Excel won by being better than lotus Excel and Word won by virtue of being bundled and thus cheaper than buying Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect separately. >IE 5 was a better browser than Netscape 4, though in that case its superiority was not why it won No, because the battle was won by IE 4, by being part of…

WinXP (or more precisely Windows 2000) was pretty good operating system. Even Linux kernel developers admit that.

Windows 2000 Pro was my favorite Windows. Everything since then has been eye candy and bloat, IMO. Others may disagree.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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It's great that he's taking two months, but count me with those who think he should take more. I took three months of maternity leave with my youngest, and honestly that last month was a really good deal for my employer. I used to say they were paying me to stay out of the codebase. I felt fine, and if I'd had to go back to work I could have, but between the sleep deprivation and the distractions of having a newborn…

I have a couple of friends who became parents and decided to take it in chunks rather than a full 4 months. They had a bit of support from in laws, so as a manager he came back after 1 month to ship a release, then wife and husband would alternate so there would be always one parent at home full time while the other worked.
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