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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by wyclif »

marincounty wrote: post #256
plicense wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if he had waned to make money he had plenty of opportunities before Facebook even went public. He has a vision and he is executing it in all his power, never worrying about how much he earns. This reminds of something Vij Rajarajan(big boss in MSFT) told about - "I have realized almost everything in life is a paradox. If you want to grow in your current role you might think you have to not help out others and w…

What? He waited waited until he had enough people hooked, and then, and only then did he go public. He gently pricked our arms with ads. When he didn't get much flack; he went hog wild. This dude is all about the money. Mark didn't want to make a little money--he wanted it all. Hell, he tried to weasel the original founder's fathers money out of FB. Why--because he wanted the money. Oh, the foreign dude didn't were a…

I don't care much about Facebook's success, but I'm curious about one thing you said here...the "activate on weekends" part. Is this a type of social behaviour in and of itself for Bay Area tech people? You're not talking about logging out of Facebook, I think you mean deleting your account for one-week periods and reactivating it only on the weekend, right?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by aianus »

edc117 wrote: post #257
aianus wrote: post #119

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Who said anything about capitalism? With that small of an educated population we could sit back, automate everything, and hardly have to compete for resources at all (especially not necessities like food and rent).

You sound very ignorant. I don't mean this in a cruel or insulting way; you just sound like someone who has no idea what that kind of automation entails, the hard work and sweat and physical and mental labor that has gotten us to the point where that automation is viable for a (comparatively) small number of things. The working class quite literally feed you, clothe you, and keep you safe at night. Get out into the w…

There are plenty of things that we already know how to automate but don't do so purely because it's cheaper to pay someone desperate $8 an hour (or a fraction of that overseas) to do it manually instead.

Not to mention the per-capita increases in efficiency we would see if the population was small enough that we could get by farming only the most fertile ground, burning only the easiest-to-extract oil, etc.

> The working class quite literally feed you, clothe you, and keep you safe at night.

Yes, and I'm saying it's cruel of them (us? I'm rich by world standards but not American ones.) to continue to have children that are condemned to a life of the same sort of servitude (or worse, famine and disease).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by ryanmonroe »

marincounty wrote: post #256
plicense wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if he had waned to make money he had plenty of opportunities before Facebook even went public. He has a vision and he is executing it in all his power, never worrying about how much he earns. This reminds of something Vij Rajarajan(big boss in MSFT) told about - "I have realized almost everything in life is a paradox. If you want to grow in your current role you might think you have to not help out others and w…

What? He waited waited until he had enough people hooked, and then, and only then did he go public. He gently pricked our arms with ads. When he didn't get much flack; he went hog wild. This dude is all about the money. Mark didn't want to make a little money--he wanted it all. Hell, he tried to weasel the original founder's fathers money out of FB. Why--because he wanted the money. Oh, the foreign dude didn't were a…

Who "forced" you to buy a Microsoft OS?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by iopq »

mikekchar wrote: post #105
Turing_Machine wrote: post #61

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This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

I suppose it depends on what kind of society you want to live in. Is a family something that should only be available to those who can afford it? Should we compare having children with buying a new pair of shoes or having a car? Or is it something that we want everyone in society to have available to them: for example like quality healthcare or legal assistance? I'm not trying to pose a rhetorical question. I think t…

You would be a bad role model to your kids. They'll grow up thinking that having no retirement, no savings, possibly carrying debt and living paycheck to paycheck is normal.

They too might have kids right out of high school and skip going to college - because that's what their parents did. This is how you get generational poverty.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by wfn »

The fact that a headline such as "Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave" [half what FB gives anyway] receives more than 200 points on HN means that something is really wrong on that other side of the Atlantic. -/bitchy-rant.

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Post by anjc »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #61
SCAQTony wrote: post #52

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...But how long will it take for paternal leave to trickle down to the largest employers in America who pay near or at minimum wage? 1) Wal-Mart Stores 2,200,000 2) Yum! Brands 523,000 3) McDonald's 440,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t... IMHO a billionaire taking a two-month leave will not inspire a majority of the top 50 employers to allow their male workforce to take 2-months off. Y…

This is probably going to get me voted down, but maybe...just maybe ...you shouldn't be having kids if the only job you can get is McDonalds or Yum! Brands (i.e., Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.). If you choose to have a child when your resources are that limited, your non-paternity leave is going to be among the least of the child's problems.

I can't believe people are actually taking this ridiculous wealth-centric comment seriously.

You've spent too much time in tech/online man, spend some time in the real world.

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Post by humanrebar »

ryanmonroe wrote: post #263
marincounty wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? He waited waited until he had enough people hooked, and then, and only then did he go public. He gently pricked our arms with ads. When he didn't get much flack; he went hog wild. This dude is all about the money. Mark didn't want to make a little money--he wanted it all. Hell, he tried to weasel the original founder's fathers money out of FB. Why--because he wanted the money. Oh, the foreign dude didn't were a…

Who "forced" you to buy a Microsoft OS?

I have to use MS or Apple OSs to work from home.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by dannypgh »

ryanmonroe wrote: post #263
marincounty wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? He waited waited until he had enough people hooked, and then, and only then did he go public. He gently pricked our arms with ads. When he didn't get much flack; he went hog wild. This dude is all about the money. Mark didn't want to make a little money--he wanted it all. Hell, he tried to weasel the original founder's fathers money out of FB. Why--because he wanted the money. Oh, the foreign dude didn't were a…

Who "forced" you to buy a Microsoft OS?

Microsoft, by charging OEMs for a license regardless of whether you bought a computer with Windows or not. It took a consent decree to stop the process.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Window...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Post by spinchange »

keerthiko wrote: post #187
wobbleblob wrote: post #174

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What kind of message does it send? Take two months off when you could afford to retire? If I were in his shoes, I'd sell my shares in that website, take a few years off and then go a little Bill Gates, a little Elon Musk. I guess this is why I'm not a successful businessman.

Unlike Microsoft was to Bill Gates, Facebook seems to embody Mark's lifelong ideologies (connecting everyone in the world). He has often said he doesn't see himself doing anything with his life other than building the future of Facebook, just in a different form if Facebook hadn't taken off. On the other hand Gates just hit the lottery on one of the projects he worked on related to a field he was good at, when what h…

You can just as easily say it was the other way around: Bill Gates' was programming and using computers (even quasi-professionally) from the time he was a young child in 1960s. His stated vision was always a 'computer on every desk' going back to a time when people only read about computers in magazines, and he happily and dedicatedly helped accomplish that. So effectively, the US Government convicted him of being a monopolist.

I can't read Zuck's mind or heart and he's clearly passionate about Facebook, but 'connecting everyone in the world' has always struck me as a kind of post-hoc mission statement made once they were already dominant (& the world already well connected) and more vitally, wanted to start making FB a lot less private by default to keep boosting & posting site engagement metrics.

When they started FB, wasn't it basically an unauthorized interactive hack/mashup of the student directory of sorts? It all kinds of fits a pattern, doesn't it? It seems very opportunistic and a lot less like a grand vision, to me. That isn't to diminish the technical, business, and cultural accomplishment that is Facebook or Mark's contributions to it or leadership. I think it is great that he's taking this leave too. His child is his next startup and that's a great thing and a great example.

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