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Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by donutdan4114 »

thibaut_barrere wrote: post #19

To people using Drupal in production: can you share what you consider to be the sweet spot for using Drupal? Also, are you mostly using existing components, or leaning more toward custom development?

I've worked on many Drupal sites, and I would say the sweet spot is a client who is going to budget $10k+. Basically, under $10k budget means you should be looking at simpler, pre-baked solutions, like Wordpress, Squarespace, Shopify, Wix, static HTML, etc.. I've worked on Drupal projects from $25-250k+, and it can handle pretty much everything (sometimes requiring a lot of TLC tho).

There are so many contributed modules that can help build things out, but I always need some type of customizations requiring (usually a few) custom modules per project. It all depends... I did one project that had dozens of crazy features that we broke out into 70+ custom modules...

But yea, I would say the sweet spot is a customer who needs a pretty large site with a lot of functionality. My 2 cents anyway.

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by thibaut_barrere »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #21
thibaut_barrere wrote: post #19

To people using Drupal in production: can you share what you consider to be the sweet spot for using Drupal? Also, are you mostly using existing components, or leaning more toward custom development?

I've worked on many Drupal sites, and I would say the sweet spot is a client who is going to budget $10k+. Basically, under $10k budget means you should be looking at simpler, pre-baked solutions, like Wordpress, Squarespace, Shopify, Wix, static HTML, etc.. I've worked on Drupal projects from $25-250k+, and it can handle pretty much everything (sometimes requiring a lot of TLC tho). There are so many contributed mod…

This is some very useful insight, thanks! I've been asking this since at times, fully custom development (I ship Rails apps mostly, since 2005) is not the way to go, so I'm looking for other options where using modules (either custom or purchased) could help.

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by thibaut_barrere »

ksenzee wrote: post #20
thibaut_barrere wrote: post #19

To people using Drupal in production: can you share what you consider to be the sweet spot for using Drupal? Also, are you mostly using existing components, or leaning more toward custom development?

I mostly use existing components, because they're there and (usually) of high quality and integrate well together. But on a project of any size you'll need custom development. If your project is so small you don't need any custom development, you might have been happier with a simpler CMS in the first place. I've always liked the description of Drupal as a content management framework.

Thanks for your input, appreciated! A bit of custom isn't a problem (I'm used to do everything custom usually!), but it's good to know there are truly useful existing components which can play well together.

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by Albright »

Developer of Pathologic [1] here. Code-wise, D8 is really a whole new paradigm for the system, so if you've given Drupal a look in the past and rolled your eyes at the PHP 4-ness of it all, I really encourage you to give it another look with fresh eyes in the future.

In terms of user-facing features, I think the greatly improved support for multilingual sites is the most exciting new feature (especially as just this week I've been encountering headaches related to i18n implementation on a D7 site… argh).

1: https://www.drupal.org/project/pathologic

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by donutdan4114 »

thibaut_barrere wrote: post #22
donutdan4114 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked on many Drupal sites, and I would say the sweet spot is a client who is going to budget $10k+. Basically, under $10k budget means you should be looking at simpler, pre-baked solutions, like Wordpress, Squarespace, Shopify, Wix, static HTML, etc.. I've worked on Drupal projects from $25-250k+, and it can handle pretty much everything (sometimes requiring a lot of TLC tho). There are so many contributed mod…

This is some very useful insight, thanks! I've been asking this since at times, fully custom development (I ship Rails apps mostly, since 2005) is not the way to go, so I'm looking for other options where using modules (either custom or purchased) could help.

I would recommend for larger-type websites, and not so much for performance-based applications. However, ignoring my own advice, we did build a todo list app powered by Drupal & React.js and it works pretty well: http://www.135list.com

You can literally build anything in Drupal, although I'm not sure you should...

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by JohnTHaller »

As the operator of one of the larger Drupal-powered sites, I'm looking forward to playing with some of the news features and functionality (first on my personal site). Granted, I still dread making the transition from D7 to D8 for my production site with 200k registered users, 53k nodes, and 3m unique monthly visitors.

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by butterfi »

zdw wrote: post #16
donutdan4114 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that Drupal's target is much different than Wordpress'. Yes, Drupal has a tiny bit of focus on small sites, but Drupal can't contend with Wordpress, not even close. Wordpress is much faster to setup and get a nice looking site up and running. Where WP falls short is in the enterprise market, and this is where Drupal's ideal customer is. Drupal powers Tesla, Whitehouse.gov, Weather.com, Economist, NY.gov…

> Wordpress is much faster to setup and get a nice looking site up and running. I would argue that this is faster than most Wordpress setups: drush dl drupal drush si drupal ... drush en "name of theme" Wordpress is easier to set up only for the "I still use tools from a decade or two ago" crowd.

That's presuming they can have command line access and the tools/know how to install drush. I suspect a lot of WP installs start with a single click button on a graphic UI.

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by anon6_ »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #26

As the operator of one of the larger Drupal-powered sites, I'm looking forward to playing with some of the news features and functionality (first on my personal site). Granted, I still dread making the transition from D7 to D8 for my production site with 200k registered users, 53k nodes, and 3m unique monthly visitors.

Care to link your site?

Do you have any blog posts on how you manage to scale with drupal? Have you considered alternative solutions?

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by timdorr »

thibaut_barrere wrote: post #19

To people using Drupal in production: can you share what you consider to be the sweet spot for using Drupal? Also, are you mostly using existing components, or leaning more toward custom development?

   Legos - Custom built web app
   Duplos - Drupal, fully customized with some coding
   Pre-Built Toy - SquareSpace, Wix, even Wordpress to a certain extent
It's a nice middle ground when you need something more custom than Wordpress and others can provide, but don't want to build everything from scratch.

Re: Drupal 8.0.0 released

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Post by Tombar »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #26

As the operator of one of the larger Drupal-powered sites, I'm looking forward to playing with some of the news features and functionality (first on my personal site). Granted, I still dread making the transition from D7 to D8 for my production site with 200k registered users, 53k nodes, and 3m unique monthly visitors.

Not to brag, but 3M is by far not one of the largest Drupal powered sites, just one property of the company i work for has more than 40M active users a month & 350M pageviews
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