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Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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I commented this in a post 3 days ago.it is completely applicable here,I know maybe this is not right thing to do -copying my old cm- but those point I think closely related to the topic.( there will be Isis like groups until West's ally in middle East is most corrupted regime maybe in world.how do you want people to not be terrorist when Saudi Arabia is one of the closest society in planet . how do you expect people to change to secular ,atheist people -like people in Scandinavian,I don't remember where but there was measurement which stated 2/3 of Saudi Arabia people likes Isis and supports it.maybe it is not correct number.but the was is almost indisputable, there is huge support base for Isis in Saudi Arabia ,both government and people- when the government does not allow women to drive?.imagine the level of dictatorship. And the worst part is Saudi Arabia is us closest ally after Israel,what was the last time us puts hard sanction against Saudi Arabia because of their human right issue.what was last time us decrease relationship because of human right.as Iranian I only can say this to west politicians: go fuck yourself.

This was my old cm:

Am pretty angry about what is going on in world , so if you felt insulted , I am so sorry , and You should understand I don't want to insult you or any other person specifically,But I want insult Ideologies pretty badly.

As person who LIVES in heart of middle east (Iran) and I have seen shia militant from very close(I know people who works in IRGC),You are completely and pure wrong , do you know what would generate another generation of terrorist ? another invasion. I am atheist and liberal with a little being gay,I am not gay , but sometime things go wrong - and believe me these are pretty dangerous thing to be in Iran and would get me killed, without doubt - but I can realize the only thing will give terrorist another opportunity is invasion of a country in middle east. This is not your fucking war.This was not west fucking war at all. They shouldn't come here in any circumstance.You know what ? because Paris like terrorism act will happen again and again and again. West should understand they were wrong all the time. What the fuck are you doing in middle east ? You know what ? no body more than me would be glad to live in secular community with secular government, but it seems politician in west do not realize , being in middle east is equal to raising radical movement against them. YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND , MIDDLE EAST SHOULD FIGHT FOR ITSELF, EVEN IF ISIS KILL ALL OF US, this is not your fucking war.I do not remember reading if any alien did help west during the renaissance. Society should grow.

PLEASE , do for humanity a favor , understand militarism is equal to terrorism. I was talking with one idiot yesterday , and he mentioned I do not believe France invade Iraq. Yes your are right idiot . France did not . but west did . These fucking killers in middle east , do not see countries , they see Islam against West.

Do you know who fights in Iran against mullah's ? Christians ? Are you kidding me, mujaheddin khalgh ? Those fucking traitors, no way.

Academia fights against mullah's, science fights, liberal people fighting against mullah's more effective than any other person in whole revolution history.This regime is almost unbeatable in political sense- because they have money and manpower and oil- but do you know they are seeing liberals in their nightmare. They even don't care about West invasion against Iran(some stupid person like G.W Bush may even consider that option).Because at the end they know the can manage harm West military pretty badly. Worse than maybe Vietnam war.BUT THEY CANNOT FIGHT WITH INTERNET, WITH TOR, WITH STUDENTS who USE TOR. Give them internet , provide them satellite , Facebook/twitter/YouTube/porn , Show them fucking beautiful women in Texas(with respect to women, I just want show sexual incentives), show them there is no need to kill so many people to get those woman , you can fuck like heaven in earth without killing people. And BOOOOOM this is the sound of explosion of foundation of religion.

Ruin their stupid culture , and then you are going to see middle is will revive. and turn to into secular place.

and Do you know who is supporting ISIS ? Which countries? I would suspect Saudi Arabia ( the US closest ally after Israel in middle east).Can you fucking believe it ? This is not double standard. This is fucking fraud against humanity.At the end we all know , non of the west's politician's give fucking flying shit about terrorism in middle east. If they did , They weren't this double standard'ed against corrupted (I would say most corrupted regime in whole world) regime in Saudi Arabia.What was last time you checked women condition in Saudi Arabia.And why the hell us have this much relation ship with country which behead people like candy. This is what I mean when I am saying double standard.

p.s. if you felt I insult you , I am so sorry , I was talking broadly than talking with you.I hope respectively, you understand there was something HUGE wrong with west policy in middle east.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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The author has a point. Most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis. Bin Laden was a Saudi. Saudi Arabia is a dysfunctional country propped up by oil money.

It's even more insular than it used to be. Saudis used to send their kids to the US to go to college, with Government funding. Now Saudi Arabia has enough educational institutions that they don't do that.

Years ago, I met a Saudi girl finishing Stanford who mentioned she was going to drive to New Orleans. That route meant a long drive through the boring part of the US. She said it was the only time in her life she'd be allowed to drive on a long car trip. That was decades ago, and Saudi Arabia still doesn't let women drive.

Here's a good set of articles by a Saudi expat in Britain: http://muttawa.blogspot.com/

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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And when the oil runs out, just another ISIS.

>And when the oil runs out, just another ISIS.

Or when the demand for oil diminishes (holding supply constant) as battery-electric transport becomes widespread.

Not only are batteries becoming less expensive every year, but the deployment of autonomous vehicle networks (self driving Ubers) will make battery-electric transport more cost competitive by distributing the high fixed cost of the battery between many users.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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I'm sorry but i find that article rather myopic. Most of the claims in that article seem more opinion than good research. For those that are interested in getting a balanced view can get their own research on what life is actually like in Saudi Arabia by talking to a large community of expats there that would rather not return to home soil. That said, Saudi arabia enjoys healthy support from the west and has done so…

"more opinion than good research"?

The page says "The Opinion Pages"

MSM is full of opinion; I'm just happy when they label it opinion and not "news".

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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And when the oil runs out, just another ISIS.

This. The oil that turns the crank of industry and provides the energy that produces so much of every comfort we hold dear in the west finances the very evil that seeks to destroy it. Until we end our reliance of oil, the middle east and Islam will continue to threaten the West's existence. It's a horrible irony.

Islam is not threatening the West's existence.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Awkardly written, either by Kamel Daoud, or the translation by John Cullen from the French. I don't know which parts were literal and which were metaphor.

This is the French way of writing. See "Simulacra and Simulation" by Baudrillard for more examples of this writing style.

Baudrillard is fun every once in a while, but it's certainly not accurate to describe a controversial, notoriously abstruse poststructuralist philosopher as typical of "the French way of writing."

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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I have to say, the quality of mainstream media coverage of the Middle East has gone up remarkably since 9-11. I think perhaps in the next fifty years or so we'll finally figure out how to handle the problems of the region with grace and magnanimity rather than hatred and endless warfare.
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