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Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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yuup

Curious, why would you do that? Why wouldn't you transfer coins to a wallet you control and then conduct the transaction from there? Doing it from Coinbase throws away anonymity -- why not just buy your drugs with a Visa card then?

that's the recommended course of action, IIRC.

personally, I prefer to do all my gray market drug purchases on the ol' regular internet with a prepaid debit card.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Oh wow I will sign up for one! I have been a Coinbase user since they started operating, and am currently in the middle of a year-long trip around the world so I have been looking for ways to minimize my international ATM withdrawal fees. My US bank (Wells Fargo) charge me a flat $5.00 fee per transaction, and my french bank (Crédit Agricole) charge me about $8.50 for the equivalent of a ~$220 withdrawal. I see that Shift has a flat fee of $3.50, so yay for beating old legacy banks! Though I am kind of sad to see that the Shift debit card has no chip. Cards with only a magnetic track are becoming increasingly difficult to use in countries other than the US.

Also, it's worth noting that both Shift and Coinbase are YC companies.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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But that was not a disaster for bitcoin, that was a case of fraud and theft. Not much different to someone embezzling fiat from a firm e.g.secure investmen, and that wasn't a disaster for fiat currencies or the traditional banking system. I think that many people hold bitcoin and bitcoin businesses to a higher standard than they would companies that operate outside this sphere.

If someone stole 5% of all the world's fiat currency from an unregulated, uninsured financial institution (Which in that sense was no different from any other BTC exchange... So it's not like anyone had better options.) with customers not getting any recourse, that would be a disaster for fiat currencies. At least, it would be an unmitigated disaster for the Wild West style of regulating fiat currencies. People hold…

Have a look at secure investment, they split with $130 million dollars in fiat.

What about the $1bn stolen from moldovan banks?

There has been no customer recourse there.

Trillion? Really? That is an order of magnitude grater than bitcoins total market cap.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Likely a considerably higher exchange rate + fee ... but hey, who cares when the people spending the Bitcoin are only spending it when it's likely only much higher than they acquired it for..

That only works if someone else is buying the bitcoin at the current exchange rate. Coinbase gets its dollars from someone to give to the merchant.

Right, however I'm sure they can float a fair amount, holding onto Bitcoin until it's at a certain value again. So long as the scheme keeps growing..

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Where it's headquartered? Or where it's doing business? Microsoft, for example, is making a strong distinction between its operations in the US vs Ireland.

Unfortunately, both. Because that is how financial laws work.

That must get complicated. I see that Coinbase is incorporated in Delaware. Let's say that there's an online retailer of sex toys with a Coinbase account, and that they're incorporated in China. That business is legal in both the US and China, right? But what if they sell to customers in some nation where sex toys are illegal. Does that put their account at risk?

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Seems like nobody understands how this can work, or why would they do that. Easy. You swipe your card, Coinbase pays with $, then Coinbase tries to sell enough of the bitcoins you have there to make it even (there might be a fee). So you need to have a bitcoin balance in Coinbase when you want to use this card. Now why would you do this? If you're asking yourself this question, there are high chances you are not the…

> There are a lot of people who made a lot of money in bitcoins, and who hold a LOT of bitcoins. This is going to be an easy way for them to spend it on a normal day-to-day basis. It's a wonderful way to laundry your drug money!

Yes, because loading cash that you can't account for on a debit card tied to your real identity is a great way to 'launder' money /s

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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If you wanted to use a visa card, why would even bother with bitcoin? Or vise-versa

You could send your cousin in Somalia $200 in BTC and he could withdraw it in local currency at the ATM down the street from his house. Versus paying Western Union 8% for the same thing.

(Probably not with this card specifically, but if there was a Somalian equivalent...)

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Almost equally bad.

Perhaps we can quash the notion that financial privacy is "bad". Anyone who deals with international finance knows that KYC compliance is a joke and the required submission of sensitive personal documents to third-party companies is a major contributor to identity theft and fraud. Indeed, identity fraud is in many ways a product of policies that force companies to collect this data. Nor is there any sensible moral ar…

"the required submission of sensitive personal documents to third-party companies is a major contributor to identity theft and fraud."

Citation needed.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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I'm curious what the exchange rate looks like when purchasing stuff that's not in USD. If the conversion is the same as that of Bitcoin USD, then it would make this card super useful for people who travel a lot. What I mean is, it'd be cool if the card would do: - Bitcoin CAD - Bitcoin EUR - Bitcoin BHT - Bitcoin HKD - Bitcoin AUD So that we wouldn't need to do: - Bitcoin USD CAD - Bitcoin USD EUR - Bitcoin USD BHT -…

I'm curious if this could also be used to help with remittances. I have several friends who emigrated from countries around the world, and they struggle to find an easy way to remit to their parents. Bitcoin seems so close, but it's difficult for their folks to get it converted to local currency. The fees and hurdles they currently deal with are outrageous, and while it looks like the shift card is US only, it seems…

Yes, there's a big opportunity. But U.S. customer-facing financial companies - especially startups - have been really bad at doing stuff outside the U.S.

Witness the darling Square getting its lunch eaten by iZettle and Paypal (!) even in the UK, to say nothing of rest of Europe, to say nothing of rest of the world.

Everyone and their dog has been trying to solve remittances with technology at least since Stephenson wrote Cryptonomicon. Ultimately it's much less a tech problem than a human problem.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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You don't have bitcoin if you just have a balance in Coinbase, so this debit card really has no connection to Bitcoin at all. No transactions will reach the blockchain when you use this card.

That's silly, that's like saying you don't have USD if all you have is a USD-denominated deposit checking account at a bank.
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