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Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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> Companies don't need to go so far as the well-known Google 20 percent time A bit of a digression here. I love that people think the idea that letting employees spend a measly 20% of their time deciding what they should be working on is somehow an extreme idea. What portion of your typical day would you honestly say is devoted to solid, in-the-flow work? After all the meeting, context switches, random interruptions,…

If little hobby skunkworks 6 hour projects actually made much money then that would be the norm.

The reality is that the things that people and companies are willing to pay for often take a great deal more time and dedication. Also, they often involve work that's a hell of a lot less interesting. Even the projects that are fun to start often become boring drudgery during the long haul of making a product that someone is willing to pay you for.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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post #64
post #20

> Companies don't need to go so far as the well-known Google 20 percent time A bit of a digression here. I love that people think the idea that letting employees spend a measly 20% of their time deciding what they should be working on is somehow an extreme idea. What portion of your typical day would you honestly say is devoted to solid, in-the-flow work? After all the meeting, context switches, random interruptions,…

You're not wrong, but you don't quite understand how 20% time works in practice. It's a formal way to recruit part-time help on unrelated projects, and it's recruited for and tracked in exactly the same way using the same systems as normal jobs & normal performance management. It's a fantastic way for people at Google to seek out learning opportunities or places to participate outside their normal team/group/dept/BU.…

> at least within tech, I think that "40 hour, strictly scheduled workweek" has been gone for several years now.

Sounds like you have never worked for a government contractor.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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Ugg. I'm sorry about being negative but here are some protips: 1. If a manager leaves work unassigned and you pick it up, prepare to have a LOT more work dumped on you in the future for no reward. 2. If you pretend to be a manager with hopes of being made a manager, all that you will accomplish is you are going to end up doing your job AND your bosses job. Your boss will look like a hero to his/her peers. You'll kill…

If I may, here is some of my protips: - The best route up is hitching your wagon to your bosses wagon. So yes doing some of his work will make him look like a hero, which will get him promoted, and he'll think who is his most valuable / productive underling, which will get you promoted. Hopefully you doing some of his work free's up his time to be more productive in other areas. If your boss is a lazy PHB (Dilbert),…

> The best route up is hitching your wagon to your bosses wagon. So yes doing some of his work will make him look like a hero, which will get him promoted, and he'll think who is his most valuable / productive underling, which will get you promoted. Hopefully you doing some of his work free's up his time to be more productive in other areas. If your boss is a lazy PHB (Dilbert), get another job.

This is called loyalty, and it only really works in certain kinds of endeavors, and then only certain organizations doing them. TV shows depict loyalty a lot, the thing I notice about these shows is that the stories are always set in "meat-grinder" sorts of fields, and then at the tops of those fields. Suits, set in a high-powered corporate law firm. Entourage, set in Hollywood. Loyalty as a major theme to a show isn't interesting to watch otherwise.

Everywhere else, an interested ladder-climber will always find that it's way easier and cheaper to change jobs than it is to move up in one. Hence the perennial advice to move to a city, where landing jobs is like shooting fish in a barrel for the ambitious. When you run out of steam at one company, get a fresh start somewhere else. Rinse and repeat until you're tired of moving around, then you can start the loyalty path.

It's important to note that the skills you need to convince someone else that you can do a job are way different than the skills you need to convince a power broker to bequeath you with additional responsibilities and the commensurate titles and prestige. It so happens that years of experience working in organizations gives you those skills largely through osmosis.

I like where I am now, so I investigated the possibility of sticking around and trying to move up rather than jump to another company. Even talked to my boss about it. But unless you're at a rapidly growing company, the opportunities for advancement just aren't going to be there and you might be waiting years for your turn. My boss specifically used the words, "you're comfortable" to describe my head space when he said he'd go around and ask if anyone else needed anything to do.

You and everyone else can have the best of intentions, but opportunity is limited and it's hard to make more of it. There's only ever a limited amount of money and perks to go around, and its often politically unfeasible to start rocking a boat by democratizing something that was previously held feudally.

Making the decision to stay at a company is giving up easy access to opportunity in exchange for security and stability. You can always unmake that decision by leaving, often times you can even unmake it the other way, companies will take people that leave back if they like them enough, but you and only you can decide what you want more out of your time on Earth.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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post #50

In my corporate experience, only doing what you're told to by your manager is the route to mediocre raises and rare promotions. Larger raises and faster promotions come from identifying problems and solving them, i.e. not needing to be micro-managed.

Large raises and faster promotions come from your perceived value and nowadays is mostly achieved by networking and politics. Identifying problems and solving them is often a threat to all levels above you, often managers play games by introducing inefficiencies and then pretending to solve them slowly, keeping their perceived utility and visibility high, and you identifying and solving some of these poses an existen…

In my experience, when layoff times came around, the managers would get rid of those they didn't want any more, and it was always the deadwood, not the high performers. I infer they viewed the deadwood as much more of a threat.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

#75
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally take on jobs I'm not assigned. Instead of or in addition to your normal duties? Or do you find that your normal duties don't fill a normal work week?

mikekchar's rule of strategic incompetence: Never be really, really good at something that your don't want to do. Otherwise people will keep asking you to do it. Corollary (and the useful bit): If you show yourself to be really, really good at something people will keep asking you to do it. If it's something you like, then you will be happy in your job. In any job there are 1000's of things that need to get done that…

> Never be really, really good at something that your don't want to do. Otherwise people will keep asking you to do it.

This is how I was able to avoid getting roped into the IT help desk role. I did that job for a year at another company, I'm really good at it. But when someone comes around looking for help and the guy they hired isn't there, I do not offer to help. No way am I going back to that, I didn't develop Rails skills for nothing.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

#76
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I may, here is some of my protips: - The best route up is hitching your wagon to your bosses wagon. So yes doing some of his work will make him look like a hero, which will get him promoted, and he'll think who is his most valuable / productive underling, which will get you promoted. Hopefully you doing some of his work free's up his time to be more productive in other areas. If your boss is a lazy PHB (Dilbert),…

This advice and the advice of the parent are both very useful, in my experiences. One thing I would add is to make sure you love working for your boss. If you don't love working for your boss, get a new boss.

This. So much this. The actual work, while important, is of less importance than your manager. Yes, find interesting work, but prioritize them, and consider outright declining them, if the manager does not seem like someone you can work with and can trust to be dealt fairly by.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm exceptionally lucky, but I work from home most of the time and get to prioritize my work myself. If I want to spend a day improving test coverage or build tooling, I am free to do so. The price I pay for this is earning about 10k€ less a year, but I still think it's worth it.

Just for fun I wondered what a missed $10k/yr was over time. http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calcu... values of 0; 10,000; 20; 4; results in nearly 310k of missed gains. Increasing that 4% to 8% increases it to nearly a half a million! At my estimated retirement income requirements, that basically means I could quit working 10 years earlier if I don't settle for being underpaid.

$120k in SF or 40k€ where I currently live get me both the same standard of living. I don't think comparing absolute wages/salaries has ever been meaningful.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm exceptionally lucky, but I work from home most of the time and get to prioritize my work myself. If I want to spend a day improving test coverage or build tooling, I am free to do so. The price I pay for this is earning about 10k€ less a year, but I still think it's worth it.

Just for fun I wondered what a missed $10k/yr was over time. http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calcu... values of 0; 10,000; 20; 4; results in nearly 310k of missed gains. Increasing that 4% to 8% increases it to nearly a half a million! At my estimated retirement income requirements, that basically means I could quit working 10 years earlier if I don't settle for being underpaid.

By the same logic you could say if only I'd done X I'd earn an extra $15k, $20k or even $50k a year but would you have followed a path in life that was balanced and happy? Not every decision can be reduced to a number

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

mikekchar's rule of strategic incompetence: Never be really, really good at something that your don't want to do. Otherwise people will keep asking you to do it. Corollary (and the useful bit): If you show yourself to be really, really good at something people will keep asking you to do it. If it's something you like, then you will be happy in your job. In any job there are 1000's of things that need to get done that…

> Never be really, really good at something that your don't want to do. Otherwise people will keep asking you to do it. This is how I was able to avoid getting roped into the IT help desk role. I did that job for a year at another company, I'm really good at it. But when someone comes around looking for help and the guy they hired isn't there, I do not offer to help. No way am I going back to that, I didn't develop R…

Email templates for me. I could do them, being primarily a frontend dev, but I would rather turn down a job than have to deal with that bs.

Re: Leave Work Unassigned and See Who Steps Forward

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This practice can easily be abused or/and cause unintented consequences. For example, once employees know this is a short cut for promotion, they will focus a lot of their energy and attention to find 'the void' and try to fill it, or act like they can fill it, thus neglecting the real work that need to be done. In fact, this could be a cultural issue where everybody tries to act like taking a lead (usually by blanke…

+1

If you watch some of those "Unscripted" shows where everyone is being judged for their leadership, what do you find? Everyone acting like a full-on sociopathic Type A personality, fighting over who steers the car while nobody builds the car.

It's great entertainment, and perhaps it works for selecting leaders in small doses on completely made-up projects like selling bottles of water with the Cult-of-Personality leader's face on the label.

But it's a terrible way to actually run your core business.

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