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Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll have all the rights of a Visa cardholder, such as the ability to file a chargeback.

Are you sure? This is debit, not credit. I believe your rights with debit a fair bit weaker (might depend on issuer though).

The "debit" part of the name means that it draws from an account of liquid funds rather than a line of credit. You can still opt to have your purchase transactions run as if they were credit which does indeed give you VISA credit card protection.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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post #28

You can now use Bitcoin anywhere VISA is accepted, so long as coinbase doesn't close your account, ignore you and close all the tickets you open. Even if you painstakingly collect and compile sensitive documents for them to review, which was a gigantic waste of my time, thanks! I have for months encouraged everyone I know not to use coinbase and will continue to do so.

That's really weird. I moved money in the 6 figures in Coinbase and have uploaded no documents whatsoever. Never had a question from them. (except for sending big amounts, they ask you if it is for an exchange or wallet).

Almost equally bad.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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"The default PIN is the last four digits of your registered mobile phone number. Please call Shift support at 800-897-0717 to reset your Shift Card pin." That's a terrible idea. This isn't a library card. You're PIN shouldn't be known by anyone who knows your phone number.

that is terrible, especially for a company in the bitcoin space which should be encouraging best practice for security at all times.

The bitcoin industry has a long and chequered history when it comes to best practices.

Part of the appeal of bitcoin to many is "Banks are so unnecessarily expensive to transmit value", the bitcoin industry has slowly and painfully been learning one disaster after another that maybe some of that cost isn't unnecessary after all.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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I can't really find details on how this works. I assume the merchant still receives USD in the transaction along with the typical Visa card transaction fees. Which in that case, what is the point?

You don't have to hold dollars to spend dollars, is the only thing I can think of.

Coinbase holds the dollars for you. It's arguable to what extent bitcoin even factors in here after your initial deposit, since everything is under the control of Coinbase. You are effectively holding a note called "Coinbase bitcoin" that fluctuates in value compared to the dollar, and you get a spot exchange rate when you spend. This is not the way bitcoin was meant to be held and spent.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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You can now use Bitcoin anywhere VISA is accepted, so long as coinbase doesn't close your account, ignore you and close all the tickets you open. Even if you painstakingly collect and compile sensitive documents for them to review, which was a gigantic waste of my time, thanks! I have for months encouraged everyone I know not to use coinbase and will continue to do so.

Don't forget at a random exchange rate chosen by Coinbase.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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Just a reminder to Bitcoin newbies:

This card looks like an OK product (still open questions about how much coinbase is gaming the ask/bid spread) but just realize that this card does NOT use Bitcoin, it uses "Coinbase Bitcoin"[1] which is Bitcoin for which the coinbase company is managing your private key: You only truly own Bitcoins if you own the private key for the account (users of MtGox learn this the hard way last year)

I do think Coinbase also offers a safer multisig account where you own an independent key and no one, including Coinbase, can withdraw money without your permission (was it called "Coinbase Vault?") If you put the majority of your funds in that independent system (or just keep them off Coinbase entirely) and put money in peace-meal to load up your coinbase Visa card you will greatly reduce your exposure to third-party risks.

[1] Reading the documents, it actually uses "Coinbase USD" which is the same difference.

Re: Introducing the Shift Card: Use Bitcoin where Visa is accepted

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really weird. I moved money in the 6 figures in Coinbase and have uploaded no documents whatsoever. Never had a question from them. (except for sending big amounts, they ask you if it is for an exchange or wallet).

Almost equally bad.

Perhaps we can quash the notion that financial privacy is "bad". Anyone who deals with international finance knows that KYC compliance is a joke and the required submission of sensitive personal documents to third-party companies is a major contributor to identity theft and fraud. Indeed, identity fraud is in many ways a product of policies that force companies to collect this data.

Nor is there any sensible moral argument for why companies should impose burdensome and disproportionate identity checks on customers who value their financial privacy. It is unfortunate to see this sort of comment on a site devoted to entrepreneurship.

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