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Re: Gaming the H-1B system for good

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Post by _jgdh »

DrScump wrote: post #206
titomc wrote: post #177

This is my life story in US till now. My H1B visa was applied thru one of the biggest Indian consulting companies and I started working in Kansas. The project was awesome and I loved the work and our team was programming for the connected cars. We were paid peanuts by our employer around 62K which was the bare minimum mandated by LCA in Kansas location. But I didn't care about the peanuts they were giving me , I love…

You described the U.S. immigration regulations as "broken immigration system" three times in that one posting. Is it substantially easier for foreign workers to immigrate into your home country?

It actually is. I'm living in India at the moment, surrounded by many Koreans and Japanese people and a few people from Europe and America. Getting a permit to work was extremely straightforward for them.

I'm sure you didn't mean to sound extremely rude or ignorant, but that's what you ended up sounding like.

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Post by refurb »

gizmo wrote: post #210
refurb wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not, they aren't citizens. Are you suggesting we give immigrants the same rights as citizens as soon as they arrive?

Giving people equal rights?? The horror! All people living in the same region should obviously have the same rights. They pay taxes like everybody else so of course they should get equal representation as well.

So you'd be up for non-permanent immigrants voting, running for President, taking jobs that handle classified info, etc?

I'm not.

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Post by refurb »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #209
refurb wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true at all. Check out Craigslist. You can still find one-bedrooms for under $3K.

He talked about the median from Zillow. You are talking about the bottom decile 1-bed being hawked on Craigslist. Ask yourself, as a developer on six figures, would you want to live in the latter?

The bottom decile in SF is more like $2500-$3000/month will get you a nice 1-bedroom in some of the more desirable neighborhoods.

I should know, I just spent a month finding one.

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Post by titomc »

DrScump wrote: post #206
titomc wrote: post #177

This is my life story in US till now. My H1B visa was applied thru one of the biggest Indian consulting companies and I started working in Kansas. The project was awesome and I loved the work and our team was programming for the connected cars. We were paid peanuts by our employer around 62K which was the bare minimum mandated by LCA in Kansas location. But I didn't care about the peanuts they were giving me , I love…

You described the U.S. immigration regulations as "broken immigration system" three times in that one posting. Is it substantially easier for foreign workers to immigrate into your home country?

I have mentioned US immigration system as broken in many other comments of mine in HN. Why don't you go count that too ?

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Post by issaria »

sytelus wrote: post #59

Whole H1B system is essentially modern form of slavery. I've seen people becoming multi-millionaires exploiting this slavery system. Companies in India have amassed massive revenues exploiting the same. The way it works is you put advertise in newspaper for minimum expected wage for tech worker. Then you buy a genius 3rd world tech worker and sell him/her to clients for approximately twice that rate. Then you put sig…

Most decent explanation. This is worse than slavery.

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Post by chrisper »

AYBABTME wrote: post #178
chrisper wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! I am currently on a student visa in the U.S. and was considering trying the H-1B route. However, since it is so tiresome and it literally can make you waste years of your life, I was thinking to not even bother. When I was doing research, most people say that the US is the best place to be at as a SE. This makes it sound like if you are doomed everywhere else. I am happy to see that you seem to be a counterexampl…

Move to Toronto, pay is better than Europe and moving to the US from there is a step away.

Yeah, that's my backup plan! Thanks man

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Post by ashwinaj »

ambrood wrote: post #189
ashwinaj wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an approved H1B, you can take a year off by resigning. I don't know of any employer who would you give you a sabbatical; citizen or not. You can use your remaining H1B time with the same or any other employer. As I see it, this is the law of the land, take it or leave it; complaining is not an option IMO. Also, I don't see how you can start something on your own (excluding freelancing) if you're taking co…

> You can use your remaining H1B time with the same or any other employer. As I see it, this is the law of the land, take it or leave it; complaining is not an option IMO. Given that I pay taxes and am subject to immigration laws a lot longer than a person born anywhere else, I don't see why I can't complain about a law that reflects nativist compromises of the Civil Rights act. And well by time off, I didn't mean a…

> Given that I pay taxes and am subject to immigration laws a lot longer than a person born anywhere else

So? The United States or [Insert country] is under no obligation whatsoever to afford special treatment since a foreigner pays the same taxes like the rest. I'm an Indian citizen and I did a quick search for work visas in India. A foreigner pays the same taxes as an Indian citizen in India[0] and isn't given special privileges when it comes to immigration laws.

> I don't see why I can't complain about a law that reflects nativist compromises of the Civil Rights act.

Source? How does the gc allocation compromise the Civil rights act?

The gc allocation is 7% per country[1]. If you fall in a country (like me India) where the number of applicants outstrip the 7% quota per year, you're out of luck. How is that compromising the Civil rights act?

Here's my take: I can keep complaining and waste my time and brain cycles over this. I don't have any voting power on this issue; all I have is a modest amount of talent and more importantly the drive and the persistence which I would like to use to further my career and make smart decisions. Personally for me, the immigration laws aren't as debilitating as people make them out to be.

[0] http://www.expatarrivals.com/india/taxes-in-india [1] http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit

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Post by dragonwriter »

ashwinaj wrote: post #166
ambrood wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what if you want to take a year off? Or just some time off inbetween jobs to travel? AFAIK you need to stay employed with a sponsoring employer all the while. Plus it definitely makes you risk averse as far as doing your thing is concerned.

If you have an approved H1B, you can take a year off by resigning. I don't know of any employer who would you give you a sabbatical; citizen or not. You can use your remaining H1B time with the same or any other employer. As I see it, this is the law of the land, take it or leave it; complaining is not an option IMO. Also, I don't see how you can start something on your own (excluding freelancing) if you're taking co…

> complaining is not an option IMO.

Complaining (including to those responsible for the policy) is obviously an option, one protected by the First Amendment. (Which applies to "the people", not merely citizens.)

Whether it is a productive course of action is, of course, potentially a very different story.

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Post by ashwinaj »

dragonwriter wrote: post #218
ashwinaj wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an approved H1B, you can take a year off by resigning. I don't know of any employer who would you give you a sabbatical; citizen or not. You can use your remaining H1B time with the same or any other employer. As I see it, this is the law of the land, take it or leave it; complaining is not an option IMO. Also, I don't see how you can start something on your own (excluding freelancing) if you're taking co…

> complaining is not an option IMO. Complaining (including to those responsible for the policy) is obviously an option, one protected by the First Amendment. (Which applies to "the people", not merely citizens.) Whether it is a productive course of action is, of course, potentially a very different story.

True, but I thought that was obvious.

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Post by jamisteven »

anpk wrote: post #110
jamisteven wrote: post #104

H1b's are killing IT salaries in the states.

Can you provide some sources?

Besides myself? No, but I work in IT at a large investment bank and about 75% of my coworkers are on these same visas and I know what most of them are making. I also know a handful of recruiters that are recruiting them, their offers are significantly lower than ours and their expectation for performance based raise is far lower than ours.
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