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I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

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Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#21
post #6

We need a declarative hypertext web back desperately. (I am running NoScript, but I have to enable it for too many sites)

Why? I really don't understand how this is the solution. Ok, so a lot of sites use JS in a wrong way or too much of it, but I think the root problem cant be fixed by forcing a technology solution.

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#22
I use uMatrix, uBlock0, and privacy badger, and am very happy about it. 1st party scripts are turned on by default by uMatrix, and for those that break, I selectively turn them on. Privacy Badger takes care of blocking cookies (first or third party) that try to track you.

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#23

Sure. If you believe that the browser should only be a document reader and not an application platform then go ahead. It's kinda like buying a smartphone and then using it exclusively as a phone though.... I think the real point of irritation here is all the 3rd party junk that gets loaded in that has nothing to do with the main functionality of the site that you are on.

I believe the browser should be exactly what it is, without using javascript. I'll always block javascript, whitelisting sites which 1) fail to work without it and 2) which i really want to visit. If you need javascript to present information then you're either not a very good developer or else you don't care about the user experience. Degrade gracefully; you can still display text and images without javascript and a lot of people don't want a lot of high-risk fluff just because you're proud of your use of add-ons.

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#24
Sadly JavaScript or "the language of the web" is going towards binary rather then openness. The big sites like Google already obfuscate their code so it's hard to see what it does.

I learned JavaScript by viewing other peoples source code, witch was as easy as right clicking and selecting view source.

Unless we want more people to disable JavaScript, we need to keep it open source and transparent!

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#25
post #21
post #6

We need a declarative hypertext web back desperately. (I am running NoScript, but I have to enable it for too many sites)

Why? I really don't understand how this is the solution. Ok, so a lot of sites use JS in a wrong way or too much of it, but I think the root problem cant be fixed by forcing a technology solution.

It's the only solution. You can't force people to not use it, and it's a very good solution (whitelisting is only a click away).

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#27
This is where I draw the line, Hacker News. The end of the road.

Do you know how many shitty stink eyes I've gotten from people on this site, just because I've dared to speak out against JavaScript, Cookies and Analytics.

But oh! OH!

Wired writes a story about it, and suddenly, the clouds open, and the sunshine just pours through.

  *OF COURSE* an article in *Wired* is gospel! We were 
  *FOOLS* to ever claim otherwise! JavaScript is the devil!
  
  Boos and hisses for JavaScript all around.
Next week, Firefox will do something sinister like bury about:config in an even deeper and more obscure location, like within the js console, so that you can't get to it from the address bar, and I'll cry foul, and you'll all take a big fat shit on me. Just like you did when I complained about Firefox taking the javascript checkbox out of the preferences panel and burying the it under about:config.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6166629

Okay, Hacker News. I see how it is.

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#28
post #19

Sure. If you believe that the browser should only be a document reader and not an application platform then go ahead. It's kinda like buying a smartphone and then using it exclusively as a phone though.... I think the real point of irritation here is all the 3rd party junk that gets loaded in that has nothing to do with the main functionality of the site that you are on.

I think that simple content such as blogs, news and the equivalent should not be implemented in js-dependent web apps. Web browsers are a platform for sure, but the simple content should stay simple.

It have thought for a while now that the web and correspondingly the browser should be bifurcated into a content platform with no client side code and an application platform without the burden of the older technologies. The browser would provide all the interactivity and logic for the content platform through implementations of standard html tags. For the application platform, the browser could provide a more convenient set of apis sort of like plugins did before.

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

#29

Sure. If you believe that the browser should only be a document reader and not an application platform then go ahead. It's kinda like buying a smartphone and then using it exclusively as a phone though.... I think the real point of irritation here is all the 3rd party junk that gets loaded in that has nothing to do with the main functionality of the site that you are on.

Excellent comparison! Except - no, it's like buying a smartphone and expecting it can still be used as a phone. I want both an application platform and a document reader.

Too many pages obscure content by showing ads, showing annoying popups (no I don't want your newsletter!) and by wasting screen estate on some "float on the top" menu you can't get rid of.

The thing I miss most on my smartphone is NoScript. Luckily Firefox has "reader mode" which helps a lot, but it sometimes doesn't show whole content.

Re: I Turned Off JavaScript for a Week

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post #20
post #10

Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/policeman/ , that will make it even more interesting and show you that _everyone_ is including jquery from Google.

Didn't know about policeman and looks really, really, nice. Will definitely give it a try! I love the idea of writing my own rules. As for including jquery from google, of course and for good reasons, even from the user's perspective. The main one, of course is that chances are that your browser already has it cached (from other site that uses it), so retrieving it and loading it is (almost) instant.

Keep in mind Google is blocked in China, so if you include jQuery from Google, it's not going to work for over a billion people.
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