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Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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My guess is (I don't know you) looking down on fat people is one of the mechanisms by which you make yourself feel worthy I can correct your guess, here. Looking down on my fat former self is one of the mechanisms by which I keep myself healthy.

We quickly lose sight of what it was like to have been a certain way. Whatever the origin of your unhealthy weight, and whatever purpose a negative evaluation of your past self serves, I think most would agree that derision is unhelpful as a tool for reducing obesity. On the other hand, its prevalence and the language many use while doing it seem to suggest that they find it gratifying. Some consider this a problem i…

I definitely think almost all of them find it gratifying but admitting to such is shameful, thus the pretense and alternative explanations like they care about healthcare costs for society

Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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Except _what_ you eat has a big factor in how much you eat. Some foods are more satiating than others. Some are more addicting than others. So eating less may also require eating different.

Yes, and the problem is that our food supply is optimized to be more addictive, because it allows everyone in the supply chain to make more money. Quite literally every commercial entity is against an individual eating filling, low-calorie foods, because it means they're spending less money on food in general. This is on top of the evolutionary forces that already make our bodies crave super-high-calorie food. It's a…

Nobody with a "weight problem" eats fewer calories each day than their body burns. Nobody.

Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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Yes, and the problem is that our food supply is optimized to be more addictive, because it allows everyone in the supply chain to make more money. Quite literally every commercial entity is against an individual eating filling, low-calorie foods, because it means they're spending less money on food in general. This is on top of the evolutionary forces that already make our bodies crave super-high-calorie food. It's a…

Nobody with a "weight problem" eats fewer calories each day than their body burns. Nobody.

I didn't say they did.

Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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Except _what_ you eat has a big factor in how much you eat. Some foods are more satiating than others. Some are more addicting than others. So eating less may also require eating different.

Yes, and the problem is that our food supply is optimized to be more addictive, because it allows everyone in the supply chain to make more money. Quite literally every commercial entity is against an individual eating filling, low-calorie foods, because it means they're spending less money on food in general. This is on top of the evolutionary forces that already make our bodies crave super-high-calorie food. It's a…

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Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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Except _what_ you eat has a big factor in how much you eat. Some foods are more satiating than others. Some are more addicting than others. So eating less may also require eating different.

Yes, and the problem is that our food supply is optimized to be more addictive, because it allows everyone in the supply chain to make more money. Quite literally every commercial entity is against an individual eating filling, low-calorie foods, because it means they're spending less money on food in general. This is on top of the evolutionary forces that already make our bodies crave super-high-calorie food. It's a…

1. Organic, Pure, Maple Syrup at Wal*Mart

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Pure-Maple-Syrup-12.5-...

2. Pears in pear juice (no other sweeter). WalMart's own brand: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Fruit-Pear-Halves-Bart...

3. Organic sprouted whole wheat bread: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Alvarado-St.-Bakery-Sprouted-Whole... (All bread needs some "sugar" for the yeast to work on. Some that say "sugar free" get sugar from milk or fruit juice.)

"Healthy Life Sugar Free 100% Whole Wheat Bread" http://www.walmart.com/ip/Healthy-Life-Sugar-Free-100-Whole-...

Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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Yes, and the problem is that our food supply is optimized to be more addictive, because it allows everyone in the supply chain to make more money. Quite literally every commercial entity is against an individual eating filling, low-calorie foods, because it means they're spending less money on food in general. This is on top of the evolutionary forces that already make our bodies crave super-high-calorie food. It's a…

1. Organic, Pure, Maple Syrup at Wal*Mart http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Pure-Maple-Syrup-12.5-... 2. Pears in pear juice (no other sweeter). WalMart's own brand: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Fruit-Pear-Halves-Bart... 3. Organic sprouted whole wheat bread: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Alvarado-St.-Bakery-Sprouted-Whole... (All bread needs some "sugar" for the yeast to work on. Some that say "sugar free"…

It's not that they always don't carry it, and I should note that Walmart's online selection contains practically every product possible, and is not necessarily analogous to what you can find on the shelves at your local store (that's why I said go to your Walmart).

Even if a healthy alternative is on the shelves at your local Walmart, and it sometimes is, virtually all of the shoppers are going to come back with an unhealthy option thinking it's healthy. The one or maybe two items that are actually healthy (and by "actually healthy", I just mean real food; something you can make from a plant or animal without a chemist's involvement) have to be picked out from dozens of nearly-identical SKUs that are deceptively labeled.

Try this on someone who doesn't know you're going to try it on them: check the ingredients and values on someone's healthy food item that they got at a mainstream grocer (Target is almost the same as Walmart, they just have a more prominent nut section) and see how much sweetener was added to it. My health-conscious buddies usually find out that their premium "super-healthy" green band 100% whole grain wheat bread has added sugar.

I actually have bought real maple syrup at Walmart. It was tucked in the very top corner of the shelf and there were only three units stocked. By contrast, there was a whole section of thickened, dyed sugar water syrup on the wall, probably 25 SKUs. Again, the issue is not that it's hypothetically impossible, the issue is that 99.9% of the patrons, even those who are intentionally trying to buy a healthy option, are not going to be able to do it successfully. There's a reason for that, and that reason is that the grocer, the distributor, the manufacturer, and all the rest of the way up the supply chain, they don't want you to be able to buy healthier, because access to more filling, low calorie options means not only that you'll be healthier, but that ultimately you'll buy a lot less food.

Re: Call for an urgent rethink of the ‘health at every size’ concept

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1. Organic, Pure, Maple Syrup at Wal*Mart http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Pure-Maple-Syrup-12.5-... 2. Pears in pear juice (no other sweeter). WalMart's own brand: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Fruit-Pear-Halves-Bart... 3. Organic sprouted whole wheat bread: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Alvarado-St.-Bakery-Sprouted-Whole... (All bread needs some "sugar" for the yeast to work on. Some that say "sugar free"…

It's not that they always don't carry it, and I should note that Walmart's online selection contains practically every product possible, and is not necessarily analogous to what you can find on the shelves at your local store (that's why I said go to your Walmart). Even if a healthy alternative is on the shelves at your local Walmart, and it sometimes is, virtually all of the shoppers are going to come back with an u…

I strongly disagree with you. Obesity is not Wal*Mart's fault. Eating too many calories is.
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