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Square Prices Its IPO at $9, giving it a $2.7B valuation

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From a second market type broker who trades private tech company shares (Oct 1st 2015):

''We have only 4000 shares of Square left at $16.50. I believe Goldman is going to price the IPO well north of $25 and the $16.50 is less than the price that Square is granting stock options to employees!''

A good reminder that people are making (and losing) a lot of money behind the scenes of our industry.

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Is anyone willing to give a contrarian take? I'll give it a shot: Square is an ambitious company with some great engineers, stellar UX and a giant total addressable market. Their business loans are interesting and could grow into something important. Square readers are a fashion accessory for hip businesses. No sooner would a coffee shop be seen without a Square reader and an Edison bulb than its yuppie hipsters patr…

No sooner would a coffee shop be seen without a Square reader and an Edison bulb

I'm not so sure about that. I'd agree that they all have "fancy" (for want of a better word) payment systems, but I don't think there's a reason they have to be the fancy ones made by Square.

But more importantly: the US is (finally) moving to chipped and tap-to-pay transactions. That means that pretty much all merchant hardware is going to need to be replaced over time, so the market the Square (and everyone else) currently has is up for grabs. If I were looking at investing in Square that would make me nervous.

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I've always wondered - why was it so easy to replicate Square's scanning device? Seems like about 6 months after they really started gaining traction, PayPal came out with their copycat triangle one, and then a cascade of copycats. It went from not being a thing to there being tons of them overnight. I would imagine there would be somewhat of a barrier to entry, but it seems it's a fairly easy device to create?

"The Shakespearean model holds true today. Consider the Square card reader. Square was the first company to do mobile handset credit card processing right. It did the software piece and the hardware piece, and built a brand with the iconic white square device. Then there was a proliferation of copycat readers. PayPal launched one. They shaped it like a triangle. They basically copied the idea of a simple geometric-sh…

One gets a distinct sense that the companies focused on copycat readers are in a great deal of trouble. Much better to be the original card reader and stay focused on original problems

...I don't see why? PayPal is/was far bigger than Square. If the hardware is easy to duplicate, I'd rather be the larger company with an established presence.

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Is anyone willing to give a contrarian take? I'll give it a shot: Square is an ambitious company with some great engineers, stellar UX and a giant total addressable market. Their business loans are interesting and could grow into something important. Square readers are a fashion accessory for hip businesses. No sooner would a coffee shop be seen without a Square reader and an Edison bulb than its yuppie hipsters patr…

Are people really going to care if their joint of choice changes payment providers? Do people care how cool their bank and credit card company is? Id almost certainly guess not.

Hmmm interesting.... I have had in depth conversations about this, and I strongly feel that you are missing something. Sure, in certain areas having a ipad/square reader combo is not necessary. It may actually be detrimental I would imagine. I am not talking about some random small town in Missouri, I am talking about less trendy districts of a city or a coffee shop with a more old school vibe. BUT in large cities and metropolitan areas having a square reader instantly makes your company more trendy and part of an in crowd. This trend will continue to disseminate outward... not with the square reader necessarily, but with some new point of sale system. But already square is at the for front of this movement, we wont continue to use these old POS systems forever. Change will occur.

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Is anyone willing to give a contrarian take? I'll give it a shot: Square is an ambitious company with some great engineers, stellar UX and a giant total addressable market. Their business loans are interesting and could grow into something important. Square readers are a fashion accessory for hip businesses. No sooner would a coffee shop be seen without a Square reader and an Edison bulb than its yuppie hipsters patr…

I have an contrarian view as to why Square seems like a company poised to grow.

All that customers and shopowners care about is simplicity of payment. Square has got that spot on and has pretty good market share which will only grow.

Only tow things can hurt them

1. Existing device that works as card reader. Think of iPhone that can accept payments. 2. Some kind of government regulation.

I dont see that happening. Even Apple's pay p2p thing wont be a threat simply because it probably wont accept a physical card. [Correct me if I am wrong].

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And revenue growth prospects aren't all that high?

Not when you're competing against every other payment processor.

What were supposed to be Square's differentiating features? What competitive edge is being hyped?

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That's a great example. For contra-contrarian reasons: If your coffee is less than $7.75 (debit card) or $4.00 (credit card), square loses money (cf Starbucks).

Their contract with Starbucks is ending soon. Going forward their reader fees will be profitable to the company.

Not always. There is a minimum ticket price that must be met for Square to make money. Square charges merchants a fixed percentage, but Square's costs aren't so simple. There is a reason why tiny corner stores charge extra to process a credit card transaction under $10. or so.

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There are magnetic stripe readers everywhere -- I can't imagine they're that hard or expensive to produce.

I don't imagine they are as straightforward as buying a magnetic reader and putting it in a shell. The interface is somewhat unique after all. It connects through the audio jack. The processing on the software side need to be somewhat custom as well.

No, that's exactly what they do. They pipe audio track data through your mic port, like any other reader would. Although they did start encrypting the signal, because people started using these cheap readers for nefarious things.

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I don't imagine they are as straightforward as buying a magnetic reader and putting it in a shell. The interface is somewhat unique after all. It connects through the audio jack. The processing on the software side need to be somewhat custom as well.

Yup, it's as simple as putting a magnetic stripe reader and putting it into a shell. These are a commodity on Alibaba now [1]. The idea of using headphone jack for data transfer has been around since the Commodore PCs [2] The software side is pretty standard too [3]. It's a standard analog to digital conversion. [1] http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/headphone-jack-magnetic-card... [2] http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub…

Yeah, a buddy of mine built on from parts at a hackathon on a weekend. Really straight forward.
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