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John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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Is it really worth leaving a thoughtful comment about such an ignorant statement? It's clear to me that these people have no idea what encryption actually is and only have a cursory understanding of what it does. They're aware that criminals and terrorists can use encryption to communicate covertly. That's why they want to ban it. Are they also aware that the exact same technology is used to protect their online bank…

I think Congress needs their own dedicated ELI5 hotline :)

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Hillary Clinton is equivocating; I think she's probably anti-encryption Damn, we need her on our side as a proven expert in computer security and privacy.

Or maybe try and find non-establishment candidates to run (who are not out of their gourd) and vote for them :)

Do you humorously pretend in your comment that you don't know about Bernie Sanders?

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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> I would say that getting a Gun in the US or even in Europe (especially since the eastern European and Balkan states have joined (officially or unofficially Schengen) is by far easier than setting up your own secure crypto from scratch. No, it is far easier to download an openbsd cd image from canada than it is to physically carry a gun.

OpenBSD cd image would give you absolutely nothing when it comes to defending against state level actors sorry. And you are assuming that in their proposed reality that would be as easily achievable as it is today, you'll be surprised how effective can a crackdown be once a government sets its mind to it.

> you'll be surprised how effective can a crackdown be once a government sets its mind to it.

Effective like prohibition was? Or the war on drugs? All that will happen is people will stop using macOS and Windows because that is all the US government can pressure.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #36

Is it really worth leaving a thoughtful comment about such an ignorant statement? It's clear to me that these people have no idea what encryption actually is and only have a cursory understanding of what it does. They're aware that criminals and terrorists can use encryption to communicate covertly. That's why they want to ban it. Are they also aware that the exact same technology is used to protect their online bank…

Keep in mind that McCain is up for re-election next year. Some of this is overstated, although I figure he probably does believe the government should have a backdoor and doesn't fully understand the implications of that.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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Can we have a new rule when laws are proposed? Whenever you see the headline "(name of politician) wants to pass a law which will do ____" it should be rewritten to "Lobbyists have convinced (name of politician) that they need a law which will do _____".

From opensecrets.org:

Industry Favorite

John McCain is a top recipient from the following industries in 2015-2016:

    Cable & satellite TV production (#1)
    Defense Aerospace (#1)
    Defense Electronics (#1)
    For-profit Education (#1)
    Misc Defense (#1)
Total PAC Money for 2015-2016: $700,600

    Ideological/Single-Issue	$185,900
    Defense			$116,800
    Communications/Electronics	$61,600
    Energy & Natural Resources	$75,300
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate	$71,500
    Lawyers & Lobbyists		$51,400

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #14

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Keep your generalizations to yourself. There is a wide array of Republicans who believe in limited government not cracking private security because it doesn't belong there. McCain is a nice guy but is an extreme hawk.

McCain isn't a nice guy. He's always been opposed to every kind of civil rights and in favor of total central government power and total war. He introduced the campaign finance bill that forced the government to argue before the Supreme Court that it had the power to ban books with political opinions it didn't agree with, the same argument that led to the Citizens United decision. He made up a song about bombing Iran…

Not being from the US, I probably don't know as much about McCain as many of you, but I do recall him making the news for suggesting a murder suspect should be treated as an enemy combatant, which in turn seemed to mean essentially that they were no longer entitled to things like due process. I remember feeling very cold when I read that.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #36

Is it really worth leaving a thoughtful comment about such an ignorant statement? It's clear to me that these people have no idea what encryption actually is and only have a cursory understanding of what it does. They're aware that criminals and terrorists can use encryption to communicate covertly. That's why they want to ban it. Are they also aware that the exact same technology is used to protect their online bank…

A friend of mine told me that politics is the art of getting uninformed people to decide what you want. With that in mind I'd say it's maybe worth having a thoughtful debate about this, probably not about whether or not this law is correct but about how to get politicians to understand the ramifications of this decision even if they have no idea what encryption actually is.

I've got no idea how to do that though so I'll let you guys start...

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep your generalizations to yourself. There is a wide array of Republicans who believe in limited government not cracking private security because it doesn't belong there. McCain is a nice guy but is an extreme hawk.

McCain isn't a nice guy. He's always been opposed to every kind of civil rights and in favor of total central government power and total war. He introduced the campaign finance bill that forced the government to argue before the Supreme Court that it had the power to ban books with political opinions it didn't agree with, the same argument that led to the Citizens United decision. He made up a song about bombing Iran…

To be pedantic, that Beach Boys parody dates back to the late 70s during the hostage taking of the U. S. Embassy. (Which causes me to wonder: did his campaign properly secure the rights from the song writer, or did they do like other candidates and "steal" it?)

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #36

Is it really worth leaving a thoughtful comment about such an ignorant statement? It's clear to me that these people have no idea what encryption actually is and only have a cursory understanding of what it does. They're aware that criminals and terrorists can use encryption to communicate covertly. That's why they want to ban it. Are they also aware that the exact same technology is used to protect their online bank…

> Are they also aware that the exact same technology is used to protect their online banking? To protect against attacks like the Sony hack? Do they know that there is a huge segment of the economy that relies on strong encryption to do business?

I'm sure they are.

The problem is, I suspect, more the delusion that if there are backdoors, only MURICA will be able to exploit them because GODDAMN GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! They would find the idea that there are talented individuals and groups, outside the US, who are capable of exploiting these facilities, absolutely incomprehensible.

Moreover, the civil servants who they should be able to rely on to provide accurate information about why it doesn't work that way (e.g. the NSA) will be actively encouraging that ignorance for their own benefits.

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