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Barren islands that countries never stop fighting over

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Re: Barren islands that countries never stop fighting over

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Ha, well played BBC! You mean the state broadcaster for the UK managed to avoid mentioning the Falklands in an article about disputed barren islands. I'm truly shocked!

Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

Someone stayed 45 days on Rockall like this: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/17/article-2696222-00...

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On a visit to South Korea, I was astonished to watch a national weather report on televsion. It showed the weather in Seoul, in Busan, in a few other major cities, and on Dokdo! (Dokdo is this tiny island mentioned in the article, disputed by Japan, with two people living on it.) In this case, the status of the island is largely a proxy for remaining Korean bitterness over WWII, towards the Japanese who (at least in…

1. This reminds me of the territorial dispute right now between Canada and the US, http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-tiny-islands-where-ca... Let's go to war! 2. There is no dispute over Dokdo, it's Korean territory plain and simple. But if Japan really wants it, they should just take it or else just shut the fuck up about it and stop bringing it up every year.

It is, in fact, disputed by Japan (which refers to the island as Takeshima):

http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/position.ht...

But it is not so actively disputed by Japan. Meanwhile, South Korea flies a large flag there, and the two permanent residents can choose between cellular telephone service providers, as more than one company has built towers there.

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Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

> "More people have landed on the moon than have landed on Rockall." Charming place.

My word I knew it was remote and tough to access but I didn't know it was so overlooked. I remember The Reg launched a charity expedition (called "Rockall Ho!") there a decade back, however: http://m.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/22/rockall_triumph/

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Nobody ever fought over Rockall.

As an uninhabitable island with rival territorial claims from Denmark and Ireland mainly because the fishing rights are potentially worth something, it's a better comparison point than an island group which has been continuously occupied for nearly 200 years...

The UK and Iceland did tussle over fishing rights in the North Atlantic - not an outright shooting war, but there were warships posted to protect UK trawlers and collisions between ships:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

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On a visit to South Korea, I was astonished to watch a national weather report on televsion. It showed the weather in Seoul, in Busan, in a few other major cities, and on Dokdo! (Dokdo is this tiny island mentioned in the article, disputed by Japan, with two people living on it.) In this case, the status of the island is largely a proxy for remaining Korean bitterness over WWII, towards the Japanese who (at least in…

It gets lost in all the propaganda (designed to get the citizens behind a complex geopolitical effort) - Dokdo is mostly about fishing and other resource rights. The island itself is worthless, but the 200 nautical miles around it aren't.

Here in the U.S. I've even seen local Korean owned businesses with posters up in the window "Dokdo is Korean territory!" and other such slogans. It may seem absolutely insignificant to Americans and people from other large countries, but to South Koreans, surrounded by large powerful neighbors, in the middle of immensely crowded territorial waters, it has a not insignificant economic rationale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone

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A fun example of an island which is not disputed: Märket is a small uninhabited island located between Sweden and Finland. It's divided between the countries and Finland even built a lighthouse on the wrong side of the border!

Another example i the island Kataja, which didn't even exist when the border between Sweden and Finland was drawn, but now sits on the border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4rket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kataja

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Better they expend their border-dispute resources over these barren islands than the inhabited ones.

In a way, isn't that just it? They're still 'fighting' over them because they're actually not that important? If they were important, the fight would be over much more quickly.

Like Crimea.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody ever fought over Rockall.

As an uninhabitable island with rival territorial claims from Denmark and Ireland mainly because the fishing rights are potentially worth something, it's a better comparison point than an island group which has been continuously occupied for nearly 200 years...

It's an islet not an island, which under UNCLOS is a really important distinction. Islands get an EEZ around them, islets don't. Rockall gets 12 nautical miles of territorial waters around it, but no EEZ.

The distinction between islets and islands is the basis of what China is up to with the artificial islands it is constructing. UNCLOS is a really interesting thing to get stuck into if you are a legally inclined geek.

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Ha, well played BBC! You mean the state broadcaster for the UK managed to avoid mentioning the Falklands in an article about disputed barren islands. I'm truly shocked!

Falklands has 3000 or so people, a small town, lots of sheep and is not really disputed except when Argentina feels like distracting attention from whatever shitshow is going on at home. Even their historical claim is dubious as hell.

Every national highway in Argentina has signs saying "Las Malvinas son Argentinas", meaning "The [Falklands] are Argentine". I think it's required by law.
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