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Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

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Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

#41

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He's right. You can't double count the revenue of your partners. That would be like eBay posting revenue of $300 billion. Or the NYSE posting revenue as all trades executed rather than their commission. Lyft is still under $200 million and is raising at 25x revenue or so.

> is raising at 25x revenue or so. valuation is not equal to annual revenue..its more like the value over the lifetime.

So 25 years at current annual revenue? :)

Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

#42
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Ah, Uber took money from Google Ventures, that's why Uber is listed as an option in my Google Maps app.

I can't find the details now, but I'm sure I once saw an API provided by Maps on Android which allows any app to register itself as capable of providing directions or transit information.

Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

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Ah, Uber took money from Google Ventures, that's why Uber is listed as an option in my Google Maps app.

I can't find the details now, but I'm sure I once saw an API provided by Maps on Android which allows any app to register itself as capable of providing directions or transit information.

Including those that are not installed on the device?

Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

#46
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It doesn't sound particularly misleading to me. That's just what "gross" means. Gross is always way, way higher than net. You wouldn't subtract the wholesale cost from the gross income of a retail chain, you wouldn't subtract employee wages from the gross income of a software firm, and you wouldn't subtract contractor payments from Lyft.

That's not quite true. You normally wouldn't refer to Lyft's total proceeds as "revenue", gross or otherwise. Retail stores hold inventory which runs the risk of going unsold. Not true of Lyft. Ebay calls it "gross merchandise sales". PayPal calls it "total payment volume". Google subtracts "TAC" out of its network revenue. Etc. I've seen Uber refer to it as "gross bookings".

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Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

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post #45

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I can't find the details now, but I'm sure I once saw an API provided by Maps on Android which allows any app to register itself as capable of providing directions or transit information.

Including those that are not installed on the device?

I've only ever seen Uber listed when I have their app installed.

Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

#49

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Under generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP), and their European equivalent, IFRS, a company generally cannot include in income payments it receives on behalf of others. Lyft, and Uber, rely on the fiction that they are merely booking apps for drivers, so the fares belong to the driver, and Lyft and Uber are merely entitled to a portion of the fare for providing the booking service. At no time are they/were…

Do Lyft/Uber get to float the money before paying it to drivers? If they get a week of float then it's maybe(?) gross income that they can make quite a lot of money off of before paying out drivers.

From what I remember from an Uber driver, they get paid every Thursday. So I guess the money could float around for a bit before finally reaching the driver.

Re: Lyft looking to raise $500M in new funding at valuation of about $4B

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> is raising at 25x revenue or so. valuation is not equal to annual revenue..its more like the value over the lifetime.

So 25 years at current annual revenue? :)

Even worse than that, because revenue != earnings if Lyft has other costs than to pay its drivers.
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