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Re: Introducing the new Google+

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HN is kept this way on purpose. That the GenPop doesn't like it is a feature, not a bug. As for designing sites focused on reading, I wholeheartedly agree with this: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com .

Almost. I agree more with this: http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

>"You're a fucking moron if you use default browser styles." >- Eleanor Roosevelt

Why are the default styles so bad?

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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Since the web has gone into distributed application / magazine, density has dropped. http://imgur.com/MRnd81J http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ http://justinjackson.ca/words.html TBC

> http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ >You dumbass. You thought you needed media queries to be responsive, but no. Responsive means that it responds to whatever motherfucking screensize it's viewed on. This site doesn't care if you're on an iMac or a motherfucking Tamagotchi. Except that it's really hard to read on a wide screen. I get it - it's a satire - but it goes too far and fails to make a convincing point because…

You might also be interested in: http://codepen.io/dredmorbius/details/KpMqqB

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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Google seem to keep making worse the thing that matters most to me. What I want is to conveniently read. I want to see content, from a variety of sources. I want density. I want to catch up and be aware. It was like that in the earlier days. Every update kept reducing the amount of visible content, and severe reductions in density. Here is a screenshot of my screen - http://i.imgur.com/fM2WIVf.png (1920x1200) - almos…

I think the biggest issue is the design. The card layout is generally big no-no in design community. It presents too many choices for the reader for where to focus. Users don't like to make choices because it represents friction in consumption. The FB layout is one item at a time with small column so eyes doesn't have to scan right to left too much. If user doesn't like item you just move on. The ranking of posts is…

It's in vogue in the design community where the primary use case is passively consuming images and media. This seems to be where Google is sending Google+, and how all the feeds I still have followed on it are using the service -- sentence of text + image/video.

From what I understood in the post and a few reviews of it, Google don't (and shouldn't) want to compete with Facebook in friend cross-posting interaction activities.

> Making consumption choice-free, decision-free and friction-free should be the guiding principle in all social apps.

In what world is that true? The point of social interaction enabling apps is to increase the likelihood of users regularly choosing to abandon passive consumption and interact with things. Friction is the only thing in your maxim that makes sense I'm afraid.

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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Almost. I agree more with this: http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

>"You're a fucking moron if you use default browser styles." >- Eleanor Roosevelt Why are the default styles so bad?

The whole site tries to explain that.

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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There were exactly zero good search engines at the time, however. Google was exponentially better than anything else from day 1.

AltaVista was good. Google was better than AltaVista, but not exponentially better. It was just a nice improvement - enough to get me to switch.

I remember doing searches on AltaVista and Yahoo, both unusable for me. The difference felt when starting to use Google's Search was night and day.

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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How good are the discussions on Google+? I hesitate to share my identity and data with Google, but I'm also on a never-ending (that might turn out to be literally true) quest to find sophisticated, intelligent discussion of politics and policy.

It really depends on your specific interests and community. Total size is perhaps 1/3 - 1/4 FB, but there are zones of excellence.

If you want to find everyone, go to Facebook.

If you want discussion, Reddit.

Topics in depth, blogs.

High S/N: Metafilter.

This might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3hp41w/trackin...

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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Since the web has gone into distributed application / magazine, density has dropped. http://imgur.com/MRnd81J http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ http://justinjackson.ca/words.html TBC

Please tell me you are kidding with that first image. Seriously. Not a single website actually looks like that.

I know this is a bit late, and the content is in arabic, but check this: http://www.saidaonline.com/

That's an actual news website.

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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HN is kept this way on purpose. That the GenPop doesn't like it is a feature, not a bug. As for designing sites focused on reading, I wholeheartedly agree with this: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com .

Almost. I agree more with this: http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

>A little less contrast

Other than this, I agree. Black on white is fine, and hell no, don't make the background slightly gray. If my display is too bright I turn the brightness down.

Re: Introducing the new Google+

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Just because you can fit more information into a space, doesn't mean you should. At a certain point it hurts user experience. http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Shots/BRU_Main_Screen.gif UI design is largely about directing flow. Scrolling down is certainly not the end of the world, and hiding less-commonly used features helps make those which are used stand out.

Thanks to such UX guidelines we don't have tools anymore, we have only toys and fluff. One of the most important characteristics of a tool is that you need to learn how to use it . Today's design is focused on making everything effortless from the get-go. But there's only one way to achieve this - and that is to dumb the thing down and cut out features until what you get is a very limited / pretty useless trinket. BR…

Very informative, and I would agree with this. A car dashboard seems complicated when you get into a car, but after you have had lessons, the car is a great tool. Nobody seems to be arguing that the cockpit needs simplification, yet in the computing industry (as you state) everything is dumbed down to etch-a-sketch simplicity for fear of alienating new users.

Mixing consoles also look complicated to a first-time user but I don't think anyone would argue that they need simplification.

Interestingly, Apple News app on the iPad uses cards and a simple layout, yet seems to work well and with no stuttering. This cannot be said for Google+ (and no, I don't want to join communities, stop showing them to me).

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