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It is time to stop terrorist states: ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and USA.
I can't downvote, so here you got my -1 personally. edit: ok, let me explain: putting the USA and ISIS into the same bucket "terrorist states" is just moronic, that's why. happy downvoting.
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I don't disagree with the fact that there are and have been domestic Christian extremists. I was specifically responding to DanBC's claim that US citizens are at GREATER risk from the police and Christian terrorists. What information sources do you follow that indicate that Christian extremism is even remotely as great a threat as Islamic extremism? When I look at the FBI most wanted terrorists lists and other source…
> What information sources do you follow that indicate that Christian extremism is even remotely as great a threat as Islamic extremism? Actual statistics on who kills Americans in America. > When I look at the FBI most wanted terrorists lists That tells you which individuals the FBI sees the most value to the policy objectives set by their political leadership to draw public attention to. It doesn't tell you anythin…
Edit: Not sarcastic. Something like the FBI's list that someone else shared, of the group responsible for US terror attacks from 2002-2005.
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> 40% of these think you should be killed for leaving Islam. How do these numbers compare to other religions? For example, there is an unconfortable number of Christians who do have a fundamentalist mindset, too (although I didn't find any exact numbers). Probably similar issue for other religions and possibly also among non-religious people.
> For example, there is an unconfortable number of Christians who do have a fundamentalist mindset, too (although I didn't find any exact numbers). Even fundamentalist Christians don't have divine commandments to kill apostates. Nor do atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, or Jews (well, they do, but it hasn't been in force since the Exile.) This is a false equivalency.
not that religions aren't powerful. the kinds of religion-based stupidity you see in other nations is exactly the reasons why the founders of the U.S. explicitly separated church and state.
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> The other side wants to propagate individual liberty and democracy and takes great lengths to avoid civilian casualties This is why you're wrong. No, the leaders (whether it is the politicians or the military command) don't care about civilian casualties unless there's large vocal resistance.
Based on what evidence?
Displacing democratically elected leaders like CIA has been doing? Lying about WMDs like with Iraq? Being careless in general? Refusing to change, justifying collateral damage with unproven "national security"? Doing nothing to avoid civilians from being harmed? They're not bothering to ensure the military knows what areas to avoid and confirming who's who before bombing. They so obviously put profits first, and care more about having puppets in the governments than about the people. (It is even more obvious in the case of Russia's support of Assad.)
NSA have even admitted they kill on metadata = the position of cell phones, with as much accuracy as programs like COTRAVELER can give you when you have no clue who's who. Guess why so many weddings have been hit? Because somebody 2-3 degrees off from the suspect suddenly meets a hundred people including more people linked to some other suspect. So they bomb the place.
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Are you actually going to put some lone nut jobs here and there on the same level as organized and determined jihadists? If so, you need to include the tens of thousands of murdered people that ISIS has been responsible for. You'll need to include the Russian jet that was blown up, the attack in Paris, and all those killed by al-qaeda on 9/11, etc. You'll also need to explain why the FBI terrorist list doesn't show t…
We define away the problem. White people shooting others is not usually considered terrorism (such as a mass shooting committed by a white person). Terrorism is used to label actions by people you don't like. Some politicians even make statements calling the president a terrorist because he does something they don't like. We don't call it terrorism when the American government kidnapped people, took them to other cou…
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> if your country orders you (or forbids you from doing) something that contradicts with your beliefs - you do it, and sort it out with your deity later. Independently of religion, this is horrible policy. Not every country has rational sane laws, not every goverment wants their populace to be free. If you'd be given the option in Hitler's Germany to join the army or die, would you comply or try to fight? The rationa…
You're being disingenuous. venomsnake's point was that a nation should treat religiously-motivated violations of its laws the same way as any other violations of those laws (and not provide legal exceptions on religious grounds). When an individual should consider it worthwhile to break the laws of their country is an orthogonal concern.
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are you serious??? How long did it take for muslims representatives to say sorry about the invasions and conquest that led to the creation of crusades? I have yet to hear an apology.
He doesn't care. In his view we're guilty of everything. In the end, sadly, he's just another primitive religious zealot, not unlike the ones who decapitate people.
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> that is not the same as saying that people should be sent back to war zones. "In the region", you can choose whether to send them to: 1) Turkey, an increasingly-authoritarian regime which is already overflowing with millions of refugees, making money with the fanatics and holding mainstream cultural values that tend to despise people from Syria/Kurdistan/Iraq; 2) Lebanon, a country where refugees from other conflic…
The rich Arab nations like Saudi and Qatar aren't accepting any refugees. (Wonder why not...) They prefer that such migrants should travel to Europe, who are naively taking those migrants in.
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This is just wrong. France has been bombing ISIS for over a year. I think ISIS is a horrible, horrible movement that should be destroyed. But their strategy has been very consistent: attack countries that attack them. They left Russia alone until Putin decided to bomb them. It was only a few weeks before they blew up a Russian airliner.
ISIS kidnapped 4 French journalists long before any foreign intervention by the French authorities in Iraq or Syria but were freed after 10 months held in captivity reinforcing my argument that them who started it not the other way around [0] [0] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/19/kidnapped-frenc...