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Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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A link to the NYT article now redirects readers to a separate, general article on the attacks, which does not contain the word “encrypt.” The original piece can be found on the Internet Archive. https://web.archive.org/web/20151115191248/http://www.nytime...

The language seems pretty reasonable... "The attackers are believed to have communicated using encryption technology, according to European officials who had been briefed on the investigation but were not authorized to speak publicly. It was not clear whether the encryption was part of widely used communications tools, like WhatsApp, which the authorities have a hard time monitoring, or something more elaborate. Inte…

Sure, if you think unproven hearsay in NYT that we all ought to take for granted is "reasonable". If the authorities believe it was the encryption to blame, then they should come out and say it outright - with details, of course. They shouldn't hide under the "anonymous officials" tag which "believe" it was encryption the culprit that stopped them from learning about the attacks, and nothing else. It could've been just some random cop's opinion, who heard it from someone else, who was also wrong about it.

Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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post #9

What is the deal with insidesources.com? Something feels a "little off" after browsing the rest of the site. It feels like a undercover PR machine for someone or some group. It also seems like they hate copy editors.

editor of insidesources' twitter handle is @warroomalerts

Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate?

Encryption is a basic human right. The freedom to speak without being judged.

So is life, what do you do when 2 basic rights clash? It's definitely a tricky question, and I certainly don't have the answer.

Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate?

Encryption is a basic human right. The freedom to speak without being judged.

I agree and it is ironic as journalism depends upon free speech.

Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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post #4

Even without having encryption in main stream applications, like WhatsApp, it's child's play to communicate secretly. There are so many open source applications that allow you to do this, it wouldn't even be a speed bump for criminals. Targeting main stream applications only hurts main stream users. NYT should write an article about that.

You seem to be overlooking the obvious argument that if a small group of people use encryption, then you greatly reduce the number of messages that you need to flag. Furthermore, if someone on a Watch List starts using encryption then perhaps you have an imminent problem.

I'm not on the side of reading messages but you missed the real argument being made.

Typical HN. How about someone answering the argument that will really be made by governments instead of the pointless one the NSA, etc have already answered. You can downvote me but you don't get a downvote in governments around the world when they outlaw real encryption.

Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encryption is a basic human right. The freedom to speak without being judged.

So is life, what do you do when 2 basic rights clash? It's definitely a tricky question, and I certainly don't have the answer.

But do they clash in this case?

Re: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack

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post #4

Even without having encryption in main stream applications, like WhatsApp, it's child's play to communicate secretly. There are so many open source applications that allow you to do this, it wouldn't even be a speed bump for criminals. Targeting main stream applications only hurts main stream users. NYT should write an article about that.

Or to put it another way,

"If you outlaw encryption, only outlaws will have encryption"

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