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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by utku_karatas2 »

omginternets wrote: post #41

I'm living in Paris. I heard gunfire from my apartment. My heart goes out to Salah-Eddin, and all people living in the shadow of unspeakable abominations. It saddens me to imagine that simply hearing gunfire in the distance is nothing compared to what my fellow man has witnessed elsewhere. Salah-Eddin's condolences mean a lot to me and I wish him all the best. It's my sincerest hope that French troops will be deploye…

> It's my sincerest hope that French troops will be deployed to Syria in the near future

This kind of thinking is exactly why Mid-east is in its current state and that is exactly the reason why ISIS was born.

ISIS high command mainly consists of Iraqi ex-officers, who were rendered jobless and aimless by USA's 'liberation' attempt. Al-Qaida was a result of a 'liberation' attempt by Soviets and then consequently another 'liberation' attempt by USA. Guess how the French 'liberation' will result at the end.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by Squarel »

StavrosK wrote: post #2

Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Indeed.

I don't see anti-immigration people and Christians being asked to apologize for Breivik, nor all catholic priests being asked to distance themselves from the catholic scandal of the last decade.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by jacquesm »

thaway9837 wrote: post #71

With all the respect for his contributions and good demeanor, sadly, this guy has no clue on what islam is and playin moslem like most of the 1.5 billion so called moslems. Which causes islam to be seen as a peaceful religion. No. Islam is the thing that creates these lunatics. I'm from Turkey, and I've been surrounded with islam for all my life. Problem with this kind of people is: they have created their own religi…

I wrote a pretty long reply to your junk but in light of an exchange yesterday I will shorten it to (paraphrasing a sign over the door of a bike store where I once worked): "If you have nothing to say don't do it here".

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by amake »

jacquesm wrote: post #80
amake wrote: post #55

> we are against their so called Islamic state, and against their retarded, barbaric version of Islam. The problem with irrational belief systems is that you have no rational basis for calling one version legit and one version "barbaric". Who's to say your interpretation is correct? Maybe theirs is. Better to recognize irrational beliefs for what they are and discard them entirely (to the degree that's possible).

I think with barbaric he means to indicate they are willing to slaughter innocents. Just like the IRA was nominally Catholic and the Unionists/Loyalists were nominally protestant but in the meantime were happily bombing each others schools. Anybody serious about either religion would not bomb children, they'd be practicing a retarded barbaric version of Christianity.

If you accept all of the other irrational tenets of the religion, then why not accept the idea that god wants you to bomb children? And if you believe that's really what god wants, then who are you to refuse?

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by drinchev »

iamthepieman wrote: post #37

I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Hello. I really like your honesty, courage and passion that I can sense from what you wrote. I don't want to sound offending, but you are saying that you are happy to discuss this and I have almost no contact with deep religious persons that are in IT, so I have a couple of questions.

1. Where is the boundary of your beliefs? I'm always trying to be polite with my dev co-workers, but for example if I write a flagged variable `$bible = false;` somewhere in my code, would you feel offended?

2. How do you mix the very science-based nature of IT with purely non-scientific phenomenon of religion?

3. Do you accept all scientifically proofed facts as true, that contradict ( might contradict ) your religious views? Like evolution of homo-sapiens, big bang, etc.

4. Do you accept all historically proofed facts as true, that contradict ( might contradict ) your religious views? Like politics behind let's say writing the bible, purpose of the religion and use as a tool of manipulation.

Again really sorry if my questions sound offending not only to you, but to anyone else who reads this.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by jules »

StavrosK wrote: post #2

Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Up until a few weeks ago I used to think that religion is just a facade, but I no longer think that is true. Religion is the center of their beliefs, and a very important factor that drives their actions. When the Boston bomber says "Know you are fighting men who look into the barrel of your gun and see heaven, how can you compete with that?" he is not lying. This is what these people truly believe. They think the metaphysics of this universe works as follows. You walk into a theatre full of people with an assault rifle and start shooting people. This ensures your place in heaven next to God. Then you press the button on your suicide vest to teleport into heaven. Imagine that you were living in the Matrix but instead of a telephone, death is what lets you out of the Matrix. Furthermore, outside of the Matrix there is somebody who has been keeping score and this makes the difference between eternal bliss or eternal torture. The robots that run the Matrix have really engineered the world that way. This is what these people believe, or at least a medieval version of it.

Another example is the Heaven's Gate suicide cult. Instead of being based on Islam they were based on Christianity. They though that Jesus was an alien and you can reach their UFO (= heaven) by committing suicide. And they did.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by jacquesm »

amake wrote: post #94
jacquesm wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think with barbaric he means to indicate they are willing to slaughter innocents. Just like the IRA was nominally Catholic and the Unionists/Loyalists were nominally protestant but in the meantime were happily bombing each others schools. Anybody serious about either religion would not bomb children, they'd be practicing a retarded barbaric version of Christianity.

If you accept all of the other irrational tenets of the religion, then why not accept the idea that god wants you to bomb children? And if you believe that's really what god wants, then who are you to refuse?

People will believe whatever it is that they want to believe, religious texts can be twisted to support just about any position, or the opposite to that position.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by wfn »

atmosx wrote: post #59
slowmotiony wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, suicide bombers shouting "Allah akhbar" is definitely political, nothing to do with religion at all.

The roots of this mess are political: France wanted Assad ousted at every cost, a policy that suited the US too since Assad was in business with Russia. That's why the ISIS was allowed to grow and receive funding . I know shocking isn't it? Now that France knows that the ISIS, retards as they are, are not easy to control. France will have to decide: Either you leave Syria to the Russians or you leave the ISIS be and…

Very well put.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by iamthepieman »

tobltobs wrote: post #79
iamthepieman wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes absolutely. That plus a history of the area being a frequent host to proxy wars, a source of the worlds most demanded natural resource and the seat of three of the worlds most prominent religions.

That is not an answer to my question, isn't it? There are lots of islamic states where your description does not suit and they are still a mess. And being oil rich didn't pose a problem for norway.

Well technically the answer to your question is yes, I have thought about it. Which I did mention. Mixing politics and religion allows a faster decline into partisanship than even my country has seen. Religious leaders are often chosen for their devoutness and if they also have political clout like many Muslim clerics then it is a problem. I agree with you.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by Angostura »

cygx wrote: post #64
iamthepieman wrote: post #37

I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Of course it's not "all Muslisms". But those who claim "it's only the terrorists" or "it's all politics" do not grasp the scope of the problem, ie that globally speaking, a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society. If you naively extrapolate from the 2013 Pew Poll The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society (which in principle represents nations with a tot…

I really hate that Pew Survey. It polls people from some of the most culturally conservative countries and then uses that to make assertions about Islam.

I wish Pew had interviewed Christians in the same countries at the same time and asked them what they thought should be done to homosexuals.

It would be interesting to see what we could glean about Christianity.

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