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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't current Syrian government also guilty of perpetrating acts of genocide against its own populace? This person is quick to denounce the other side, but Assad's forces have killed thousands of civilians as well. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade. I wonder how can you call the main motivation of these jihadists 'just a facade'?

Because if their motivation was to spread Islam, there are better ways to do it.

But, but... they're an apocalyptic cult establishing a caliphate...

Never mind.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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I'm Muslim and the problem is not about Islam. Problem is all about the people who want to gain money for themselves. I know a truth that makes sense anytime I remember; everything is related to money or sex in this world. Nothing else matters. Religion is just a tool to manage the money.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Of course it's not "all Muslisms". But those who claim "it's only the terrorists" or "it's all politics" do not grasp the scope of the problem, ie that globally speaking, a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society.

If you naively extrapolate from the 2013 Pew Poll The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society (which in principle represents nations with a total Muslim population of about 1 billion), 40% of these think you should be killed for leaving Islam.

To me, that's a scary number.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Whereas the Catholic Church has a singular leader (the Pope), there is no equivalent in Islam. That is, currently - historically, Caliphs have been religious and political leaders. ISIS claims to take up that throne now, but...

Not sure what you mean, but as an Eastern Orthodox I do not recognize the catholic Pope or its authority.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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post #61

Isn't current Syrian government also guilty of perpetrating acts of genocide against its own populace? This person is quick to denounce the other side, but Assad's forces have killed thousands of civilians as well. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria

Assad falls smack in the middle of the 'lesser of two evils' category. As did several other now deposed leaders. Regime change is relatively easy, dealing with the fall-out is not.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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post #61

Isn't current Syrian government also guilty of perpetrating acts of genocide against its own populace? This person is quick to denounce the other side, but Assad's forces have killed thousands of civilians as well. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria

He isn't in a position to criticise Assad for exactly that reason. Nobody wants a knock on the door in the night.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Is there an absolute definition to these categories though? I would be pissed off too if I was a Muslim and the radical minority hijacked the terminology and twisted it into something different. But to the radical Muslims, their definition is the correct one.

How do you argue which definition is more correct than the other? By Historical precedence? By how we interpret the teachings? By popularity? It just seems like the definition of the religion itself is so amorphous that it is very susceptible to terminology hijacking.

Would it do the Muslim population more practical good if they started distancing themselves away from the term "Muslim" and called themselves something different to make the distinction more impactful in the eyes of the public?

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Yes, suicide bombers shouting "Allah akhbar" is definitely political, nothing to do with religion at all.

Just like World War II was a religious war because soldiers held to their crosses and died crying out to their god. Germans had even "Gott mit uns" written on a handgun. It was obviously a religious conflict.

Honestly, I'm starting to believe media is painting terrorism as religion issue on purpose - because it's easier to hate the other side if you can assume it's their faith that makes them want to hurt you. You don't have to consider the idea that they may have a valid point against us somewhere.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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post #64

I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Of course it's not "all Muslisms". But those who claim "it's only the terrorists" or "it's all politics" do not grasp the scope of the problem, ie that globally speaking, a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society. If you naively extrapolate from the 2013 Pew Poll The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society (which in principle represents nations with a tot…

> a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society.

Significant numbers of non-Islam subscribers hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society too. All these people have at least one thing in common: they would like to change society to suit their ends.

And a very large number of people in my country would happily throw back those fleeing the carnage to become victims of that 40%. Which in my opinion makes them just about as bad.

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