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Re: Pandora to Buy Rdio Assets for $75M, Rdio Files Ch.11, Will Shutter Service

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Post by ehmorris »

bgentry wrote: post #129
ehmorris wrote: post #89

Does anyone know a good way of exporting my rdio "history" data? I have years of data in there.

this tweet (linked elsewhere in the thread) references a Chrome extension that lets you export any of your playlists or your entire collection to a CSV: https://twitter.com/frank_chimero/status/666373969394708481

Ah I've already done that, but I also have a listening history I want to preserve. I should have been using last.fm :(

I did manage to get the past year though, via a comment below.

Re: Pandora to Buy Rdio Assets for $75M, Rdio Files Ch.11, Will Shutter Service

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Post by jeremyrwelch »

tallerholler wrote: post #122
jeremyrwelch wrote: post #116

Rdio made a mistake by trying to compete directly with Spotify. And Pandora is making a huge mistake by shutting down the service and losing a valuable niche group of users. Everyone I know who actually uses Rdio is DIE HARD (I see evidence of this in the comments too). The users I know are pro audio guys, musicians, programmers, artists, etc who use the app 6+ hours a day across desktop and mobile. Rdio could easily…

ever since I discovered rdio a year or so ago I am always telling friends etc.. I think their UI is superior and the experience is just better than e.g. pandora imo...

Exactly. I've recruited at least 4 friends to use the service. How many hours a day would you estimate you use it?

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Post by davidu »

caractacus wrote: post #121
bsimpson wrote: post #8

I've been told by people in the position to know that the 2010-era streaming services (Rdio, Spotify, Mog) were all effectively the same company: owned mostly by the music studios (in exchange for licenses) with a minority stake for each's particular founders/investors. As Dalton Caldwell cautioned in 2011, licensing costs make music startups are nigh impossible [1]. For people who are willing to pay for a music serv…

Your people in the know are wrong. The labels own a very small part of e.g. Spotify - around 5% - and the rest is VC and the founders. Deezer's IPO documents were clear on where the ownership of that service lies.

But royalty payments are far more than 5%.

Re: Pandora to Buy Rdio Assets for $75M, Rdio Files Ch.11, Will Shutter Service

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Post by uzi »

jmtulloss wrote: post #19
bsimpson wrote: post #8

I've been told by people in the position to know that the 2010-era streaming services (Rdio, Spotify, Mog) were all effectively the same company: owned mostly by the music studios (in exchange for licenses) with a minority stake for each's particular founders/investors. As Dalton Caldwell cautioned in 2011, licensing costs make music startups are nigh impossible [1]. For people who are willing to pay for a music serv…

As an Rdio shareholder I was told that the labels did have equity, but certainly not a majority stake. I'm not sure exactly how much they had.

I guess this is a good place to give a shout out to jmtulloss, who is one of the many talented engineers responsible for implementing the Rdio web interface...

... as well as plug https://spotbot.qa/, which he is working on with another early Rdio employee.

Re: Pandora to Buy Rdio Assets for $75M, Rdio Files Ch.11, Will Shutter Service

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Post by viiralvx »

jeremyrwelch wrote: post #132
tallerholler wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ever since I discovered rdio a year or so ago I am always telling friends etc.. I think their UI is superior and the experience is just better than e.g. pandora imo...

Exactly. I've recruited at least 4 friends to use the service. How many hours a day would you estimate you use it?

I constantly use the service. I download songs to listen to offline while driving, streaming albums / playlists while coding, and if I'm at home and chilling, I normally have the Rdio Roku app playing music while I'm cooking or keep my laptop on and connected to Bluetooth while remote controlling it from my phone (phone notifications over Bluetooth audio get annoying). It's an amazing service and I'm really sad to see it go. :/

Re: Pandora to Buy Rdio Assets for $75M, Rdio Files Ch.11, Will Shutter Service

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Post by dan15 »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #109
archagon wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify also has a native(-ish) OSX client (can you use Google Music outside the browser?) and excellent playlist drag/drop and sharing support. Plus, I love their iOS user interface. No other service has come close in either area. I just wish they had better local file support.

You have to use 3rd party apps to get Google Music outside the browser, but it's still essentially just using the regular web page with the addition of being able to use the media keys.

You can use the media keys with Google Play Music in a browser, at least in Chrome. No third-party app required.

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Post by Shebanator »

rossng wrote: post #84
threeseed wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No uploading your offline library was not unique when it came out nor unique now. Initially Apple's implementation was much better since it fingerprinted the song and linked it to their library so you only had to upload songs not in their library. And actually the services are quite different if you spend a lot of time with them. I switched from Spotify to Apple Music and now considering buying both.

Google Music has definitely used fingerprinting for some time - I think from its inception. I haven't used Spotify for a long time, so I'm not sure how it works.

Yes, GPM has supported fingerprinting for a really long time.

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Post by hobo_mark »

Ctrl+F Soundcloud.. crickets

I once made a chrome extension to add global keyboard shortcuts to Soundcloud and now that is literally all I listen to all day (I know, artists aren't getting a penny from me and that is bad, especially for small indies, I would buy much more music off bandcamp if the ux wasn't so atrocious).

My point is, surely I'm not the only one here using SC exclusively? Just curious.

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Post by dexterdog »

cookiecaper wrote: post #103
autarch wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense that there'd be free options for a genre like trance or other electronica that can be made by one person on a computer. However, if you enjoy music that features live instruments I just don't see how it could be free. There's too many people involved who need to eat.

Whether you want it to be free or not, it's effectively impossible to enforce scarcity over resources that can be trivially digitized. People don't pay for music anymore because it's very easy and low-risk to get it without paying for it, and the internet guarantees it's going to stay that way. Even if you can get everyone to pay for Google Music, that's $10/mo from someone who used to spend $20/CD and potentially bo…

But so many $10/month people are people like I am who rarely buy new stuff and just listen to older stuff and the radio. I listen to music a lot, but most of the bands I prefer have ceased to exist for a while. That being said, I don't subscribe to any services because I'm cheap and I hate the way I can't get everything I want in once place so I run off of my own storage.
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