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Re: Paris: You Don’t Want to Read This

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Post by [deleted] »

drawkbox wrote: post #46
aikah wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where people are not economically well off, these will happen, people are terrorists for a reason and it wasn't because their life was great. That's false, there is absolutely no correlation between being poor and wanting to slaughter thousands of innocents. One simple example : Bin Laden who comes from a filthy rich background. He never lacked on something in his life , his family was ultra rich, yet he created an…

Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. He was more akin to a king sending peasants to die. It is a fact though that lower economical areas have more crime and less opportunity. It would be harder to recruit the foot soldiers. It will always be the plebs that have the power to continue or end it, and one way they might choose to end it is because they have a comfortable life. Look at Brazil,…

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Post by cholantesh »

drawkbox wrote: post #46
aikah wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where people are not economically well off, these will happen, people are terrorists for a reason and it wasn't because their life was great. That's false, there is absolutely no correlation between being poor and wanting to slaughter thousands of innocents. One simple example : Bin Laden who comes from a filthy rich background. He never lacked on something in his life , his family was ultra rich, yet he created an…

Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. He was more akin to a king sending peasants to die. It is a fact though that lower economical areas have more crime and less opportunity. It would be harder to recruit the foot soldiers. It will always be the plebs that have the power to continue or end it, and one way they might choose to end it is because they have a comfortable life. Look at Brazil,…

There are lots of ISIL foot soldiers that are/were pretty well off, for instance Jihadi John and Omar Hussein. Poverty can't be the only explanation here.

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Post by rapha22_1 »

aikah wrote: post #48
drawkbox wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. He was more akin to a king sending peasants to die. It is a fact though that lower economical areas have more crime and less opportunity. It would be harder to recruit the foot soldiers. It will always be the plebs that have the power to continue or end it, and one way they might choose to end it is because they have a comfortable life. Look at Brazil,…

> Look at Brazil, the inequality there, on the lower end human life means nothing. In conditions like that crime, terror, desperation will make people do anything to survive. For god's sake France is not Brazil ! In France one earns more money doing nothing living on welfare than the minimum wage in Portugal, and the cost of living is not that higher, so no, please stop. > Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with…

Also, poverty is not the only explanation in Brazil. Many middle class young adults become criminals, and many of the poor ones that do too end up expending on drugs, cars, etc.

Edit: thought i do think poverty does help greatly on taking destructive life choices.

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Post by Mikeb85 »

minimuffins wrote: post #41
Mikeb85 wrote: post #28

Islamic 'terror' started long before colonialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests People often forget this, but 1000 years ago Islamic armies were in Spain, Italy, and had conquered 'Roman' lands. 500 years ago they attacked Russia, the Balkans, and central Europe. While the actions of the west may have inflamed things more recently, they were attacking us long before western 'colonialism'.

When do you think colonialism started? Christopher Columbus? The British Empire? Check out these pre-Islamic colonizers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_history_of_the_Roman_... What were those expansionary battles? Hellenistic terrorism? Saying Islamic imperialism in the 1000's was terrorism (like they were the only ones doing it!) is like Richard Dawkins levels of tone deaf racist hyperbole. Do you want to b…

What we call terrorism today is merely the way warfare is conducted when the belligerent party is seriously outgunned, or lacks a 'proper' army. In 1944 you could have called French resistance fighters 'terrorists'. You certainly could attribute the title to the Vikings or Huns, or countless other groups of raiders throughout the millennia.

The point that Islamic imperialism in the 1000's and terrorism are linked. The only thing that's changed is the method of warfare... Why do you think Russia and Serbia are so bitter about Kosovo?

Re: Paris: You Don’t Want to Read This

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Post by aikah »

drawkbox wrote: post #46
aikah wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where people are not economically well off, these will happen, people are terrorists for a reason and it wasn't because their life was great. That's false, there is absolutely no correlation between being poor and wanting to slaughter thousands of innocents. One simple example : Bin Laden who comes from a filthy rich background. He never lacked on something in his life , his family was ultra rich, yet he created an…

Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. He was more akin to a king sending peasants to die. It is a fact though that lower economical areas have more crime and less opportunity. It would be harder to recruit the foot soldiers. It will always be the plebs that have the power to continue or end it, and one way they might choose to end it is because they have a comfortable life. Look at Brazil,…

So you edited you message afterwards :

> Equally decisive in determining crime rates are the more invisible barriers to crime set up by social norms and social cohesion. Indeed, one of the most robust statistical patterns known is that crime rates tend to go up with rising economic inequality, which itself tends to go along with erosion of social trust.

Well it doesn't explain terrorism at all and that's was the point your were trying to make. I'll tell you what explains terrorism.

It's growing in environment like some suburbs in France where you hear, from kindergarten to high-school , that "white french are bad, white french girls are wh-res, and it's fair game to kill non muslims" , that's the explanation as to why these people did what they did on friday. There is absolutely no other explanation. How do I know that? because I grew up in this kind of place.

You take the Roma, the Roma in France have it much much worse than any arab or black person ,victim a wide spread racism, living in slums where there is no electricity , no healthy water , among trash. Well now, give me an example of Roma terrorism in France.

Re: Paris: You Don’t Want to Read This

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Post by [deleted] »

Someone1234 wrote: post #5

The author was right: I did not. I do not want to read another article by someone who thinks the Iraq war was about terrorism, and who seems to have potato levels of knowledge about international politics. > and now in Syria, before in Libya, and only created more failed states and ungoverned spaces that provide havens for terrorists and spilled terror like dropped paint across borders. Yeah, no, that isn't at all wh…

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Re: Paris: You Don’t Want to Read This

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Post by ino »

minimuffins wrote: post #41
Mikeb85 wrote: post #28

Islamic 'terror' started long before colonialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests People often forget this, but 1000 years ago Islamic armies were in Spain, Italy, and had conquered 'Roman' lands. 500 years ago they attacked Russia, the Balkans, and central Europe. While the actions of the west may have inflamed things more recently, they were attacking us long before western 'colonialism'.

When do you think colonialism started? Christopher Columbus? The British Empire? Check out these pre-Islamic colonizers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_history_of_the_Roman_... What were those expansionary battles? Hellenistic terrorism? Saying Islamic imperialism in the 1000's was terrorism (like they were the only ones doing it!) is like Richard Dawkins levels of tone deaf racist hyperbole. Do you want to b…

The man likes to stir shit but he's no racist.

Re: Paris: You Don’t Want to Read This

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Post by ino »

kmicklas wrote: post #23
pawelkomarnicki wrote: post #12

Yeah like it's a great idea to "leave alone" a culture that is so expansive, so evil at its root, calling each and every one of its member to go and kill for their god, prophet, twisted idea of a perfect world. Yeah, that's a terrific idea to leave them alone, yes.

I don't know if it's a good idea to leave the Middle East alone or not, but WUT. This sentiment is blatantly racist and should not be tolerated.

How is it racist to call out the inhumane things ISIS is doing?

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Post by [deleted] »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #35
Someone1234 wrote: post #5

The author was right: I did not. I do not want to read another article by someone who thinks the Iraq war was about terrorism, and who seems to have potato levels of knowledge about international politics. > and now in Syria, before in Libya, and only created more failed states and ungoverned spaces that provide havens for terrorists and spilled terror like dropped paint across borders. Yeah, no, that isn't at all wh…

The Syrian civil war might still have happened if the US hadn't already destabilized Iraq. But Iraq directly led to ISIS, which is partly composed of Iraqi ex-Baathists and holds a large amount of ground in Iraq along traditional Sunni divisions; arguably ISIS would not be the organization it is today if its scope had been geographically and politically limited to Syria.

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Post by minimuffins »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #54
minimuffins wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When do you think colonialism started? Christopher Columbus? The British Empire? Check out these pre-Islamic colonizers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_history_of_the_Roman_... What were those expansionary battles? Hellenistic terrorism? Saying Islamic imperialism in the 1000's was terrorism (like they were the only ones doing it!) is like Richard Dawkins levels of tone deaf racist hyperbole. Do you want to b…

What we call terrorism today is merely the way warfare is conducted when the belligerent party is seriously outgunned, or lacks a 'proper' army. In 1944 you could have called French resistance fighters 'terrorists'. You certainly could attribute the title to the Vikings or Huns, or countless other groups of raiders throughout the millennia. The point that Islamic imperialism in the 1000's and terrorism are linked. Th…

I agree with you that a lot of the warfare over the years was actually "terrorism" in today's lingo.

> Islamic imperialism in the 1000's and terrorism are linked

How do you think they are linked? I know ISIS rhetoric talks about re-establishing a caliphate, world domination etc, but do you think there is any material connection? To me it sounds about as unconvincing as when sanctimonious leftists say stuff like the Iraq war is a continuation of the crusades.

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