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Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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With (at least currently) the worst security model of them all. Yay!

Care to elaborate ?

Both OS X and modern Windows desktops have process sandboxing that is actually used. Perhaps Linux will catch up, but it's not looking very good right now.

Linux desktop security is grounded on the notion that you'll be running only programs that are written by your friends.

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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Unfortunately, no. I use Linux on a daily basis on my desktop, and while it's great for development (if you develop for Linux), it sucks for everything else (compared to Windows, for example). > Linux is now a viable gaming platform, thanks in large part to the efforts of Valve and GOG.com. Six of the top ten games on Steam right now support Linux. No. Look at the most recent SteamOS/PC review from Ars: http://arstec…

> it sucks for everything else (compared to Windows, for example) This is very, very broad. I moved from Windows 8 about a year ago and I find it to be comparable and better for most of the stuff I do. > even the purpose-built PCs deliver significantly lower performance with Linux than Windows. I agree that those numbers are significant, but frankly everything there looks acceptable to me. I have a custom build for g…

> Are Xeons really "standard" for desktop?

I use one (it's actually a server, running multiple VMs, but it seems to have a decent GPU and has 1 VGA and two DisplayPort connectors on its back). I like it a lot.

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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> it sucks for everything else (compared to Windows, for example) This is very, very broad. I moved from Windows 8 about a year ago and I find it to be comparable and better for most of the stuff I do. > even the purpose-built PCs deliver significantly lower performance with Linux than Windows. I agree that those numbers are significant, but frankly everything there looks acceptable to me. I have a custom build for g…

> Are Xeons really "standard" for desktop? I use one (it's actually a server, running multiple VMs, but it seems to have a decent GPU and has 1 VGA and two DisplayPort connectors on its back). I like it a lot.

Hah, I bet you do love it! That is the use case I suspect is more common for Xeon - a server doing something like running multiple VMs.

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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I was very impressed with Linux Mint I tried it for a week to see if I could live with it as my primary environment. Unfortunately not quite yet, at least for me, will try again in 5 years.

I, as well. I decided to go with the Fedora with Cinnamon on a 6-core AMD. I use my unix systems everyday, all day, going back to the Sun, SGIs, E&S, and even Amiga days. Everything from small development, to keeping recipes, video, audio, and electronics. Distaste for Gnome philosophy, this desktop system works for me in every way (except Netflix and Chromecast as I never installed Chrome). A few games on Steam I like (LFD2) run just fine (and every update run better).

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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I agree, I love Fedora 23 and Gnome, except for those 2-3 times a month I actually need to print a document and do not have 7 hours to spare....

Printing is so much easier to do on Linux than on Windows now. I think at some point a group of people must have decided that they weren't going to be the butt of any more jokes about printing, and decided to completely fix it. Setting up my home printer under Windows takes me the best part of 30 minutes every single time I need to do it. Under Linux its detected automatically, and works first time.

That group of people was Apple. They threw their weight behind the CUPS project in the early 2000s, hired the main developer, and continued to finance its development.

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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I don't get this. I use debian and I use a lightweight window manager. I have a ~/.xsession that starts up things I need (chrome/skype/emacs). This works.

same. i use arch with awesomewm and everything works quite fine. i only had one kernel panic and that was due to the freaking wifi drivers (macbooks have broadcom wifi and their linux support is just horrible). other than that, everything is basically perfect.

I had one crash when I left a terminal open and my four-year-old came in and began playing with the mouse, copying and pasting the same stuff over and over rapidly.

I've not been able to reproduce it yet. He's still in there, it's been 2 months now for four hours each day. My wife says it's not good for him but the needs of OSS must come first!

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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Heh, I read the comments and I feel that everyone is right and wrong at the same time :)

The truth is all OSes suck, period. Well each one in their own unique ways at least.

Where I work(software house) 99% of people have Macs. Most of them are one release behind because of stability issues, in newer versions.

My primary OS for the past 15 years is Linux. I've used most of the distros. My feeling is that 10 years ago things were more stable. On the other hand it wasn't that supported by vendors so... you had less features to worry about.

Now I use Fedora. As an example, I never had a problem with bluetooth or hibernation. After the latest kernel update I can't use my bluetooth keyboard because it causes a kernel panic. Hibernation stopped working.

I bought my mother a new Dell laptop with Windows 8.1. When I plug my, perfectly fine, external USB HD, sometimes it runs into amok and it takes around 5 minutes for the system to become operational again.

Life is fun. OSes are not :(

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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I agree, I love Fedora 23 and Gnome, except for those 2-3 times a month I actually need to print a document and do not have 7 hours to spare....

I have very inexpensively kept two kids printing over most of their entire school careers with Epsons, recently with an NX330 wireless all-in-one which just works and refillable carts. I can only remember one clog/cleaning issue, but a new cart resolved it.

I was in the market to buy a printer that I wanted to use with Linux. I looked at the compatibility chart for Epson printers. Every single one is supported. Made my life easy. True to form, it worked out of the box. Avahi found it. Used the Cups web interface to install the driver. No issues.

On the topic of supported platforms, when I bought a new laptop, I went with Toshiba because, at least with the Japanese models, every single one supports Linux.

The fact that I can buy new, off the shelf equipment and have it work on Linux with no issues is really what is new for me. You still have to do your homework, but I remember the days of having to look around for used equipment to make sure that it would work with Linux. Those days seems to be over.

Re: Linux has matured into a robust desktop operating system

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I agree, I love Fedora 23 and Gnome, except for those 2-3 times a month I actually need to print a document and do not have 7 hours to spare....

I have a million problems on my Fedora, printing is not one of them. It's almost zero-configuration.

I wish all OSes were that easy wrt printing setup.

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