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Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by ars »

wavefunction wrote: post #17
lisper wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's technically true, but irrelevant, at least in the context of what Carson said. Carson's comment was that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain. This is significant because Joseph prophesied seven years of famine and urged the Egyptians to store grain against it (Ge41). So anything built "by Joseph to store grain" would have to hold a lot of grain.

@nightspirit Ben Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist and he does believe that the Pyramids of Giza were built by the Biblical Joseph to store grain. I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters but this is ultimately an example of one of his personal beliefs.

> I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters

If anything that will loose him Jewish votes.

According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier.

If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first?

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by ars »

nightspirit wrote: post #15
lisper wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's technically true, but irrelevant, at least in the context of what Carson said. Carson's comment was that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain. This is significant because Joseph prophesied seven years of famine and urged the Egyptians to store grain against it (Ge41). So anything built "by Joseph to store grain" would have to hold a lot of grain.

Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? Nobody has ever found any evidence of Exodus and it isn't like people aren't trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

> Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians?

He's just ignorant. Jews would not vote for someone who knows so little about their history. Christians may not be as familiar with the history.

According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier.

The pyramids having anything whatsoever to do with the Exodus is a myth created by Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief at all.

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by thaumasiotes »

qubex wrote: post #13
superuser wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have found grain in the pyramids, but small amounts buried along with the other treasures as part of the burial ritual. Since grain was "stored" there then they were technically used to "store" grain.

I might be wrong but I don't think any kind of treasure has ever been located within a pyramid.

The whole Valley of the Kings system (formal pyramid without grave goods; secret tomb with grave goods) started because they were tired of public tombs getting plundered.

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by Shivetya »

ars wrote: post #21
wavefunction wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@nightspirit Ben Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist and he does believe that the Pyramids of Giza were built by the Biblical Joseph to store grain. I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters but this is ultimately an example of one of his personal beliefs.

> I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters If anything that will loose him Jewish votes. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first?

He will lose Jewish votes simply because he is running as a Republican more so than his odd takes on history surrounding the Christian Church. All politicians have eccentricities, as long as they are harmless I am more concerned about what they want to accomplish. That and their character are my two big areas of concern

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by vlehto »

n0us wrote: post #2

I wonder why they cannot use ultrasound or something similar where they "ping" in different locations, then pick up the result by various microphones attached to locations all over the pyramid. I don't know a whole lot about this type of engineering so if someone has an answer I would very much appreciate. On another note, if they open it up and find out it's been filled with grain this whole time I might have to con…

That's actually used in geological imaging. They might use small explosions or shoot the ground with a shotgun or drive over it with series of overloaded trucks. You can't destroy the surface of the pyramid with TNT, so it might be tricky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_tomography

Other possibilities are ground radar. With big bunch of different problems. Mainly there is anything conductive in the surface layers, ground radar can't get past that. Typically it's only used to few meters depth, the deeper you go, the less you get data out of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-penetrating_radar

And radiographic means. These typically give best image. Dalke explained that some form of these was used elsewhere in this thread. These are possible as you can have receiver at the opposing side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_radiography

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by veb »

jedberg wrote: post #9
ajmurmann wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also spying on everyone.

I was trying to remain positive, but yes, most likely the military will invent them -- heck maybe they already have.

Well, that's a given, right?

In other news: http://news.mit.edu/2013/inexpensive-nano-camera-1126

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by coldtea »

ars wrote: post #21
wavefunction wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@nightspirit Ben Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist and he does believe that the Pyramids of Giza were built by the Biblical Joseph to store grain. I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters but this is ultimately an example of one of his personal beliefs.

> I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters If anything that will loose him Jewish votes. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first?

>According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first?

Well, if you're going to base a belief in the Bible, why take an outside estimation (the 1759BCE number) into account at all?

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by JacobAldridge »

corin_ wrote: post #20

It could be a coincidence, but I wonder if this piece (published 3 days ago) was inpsired by this 6-day old Reddit thread: "ELI5: Why don't we already know everything that's inside the pyramids?" https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3s7ljo/e...

I suspect both were inspired by US Presidential candidate Ben Carson's recent claims that (he believes) they were built by Joseph to store grain (as per the Book of Genesis).

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by mcv »

ars wrote: post #22
nightspirit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? Nobody has ever found any evidence of Exodus and it isn't like people aren't trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

> Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? He's just ignorant. Jews would not vote for someone who knows so little about their history. Christians may not be as familiar with the history. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. The pyramids having anything whatsoever to…

I don't think it's created by Hollywood. I don't think it'd be all that odd to assume they might be the legendary grain silos when they'd just been found and hadn't been opened up yet. It's just that after they've been opened and examined, and we know a lot more about them, it's silly to cling to something that's so obviously false.

Re: Why do we still not know what's inside the pyramids?

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Post by corin_ »

JacobAldridge wrote: post #28
corin_ wrote: post #20

It could be a coincidence, but I wonder if this piece (published 3 days ago) was inpsired by this 6-day old Reddit thread: "ELI5: Why don't we already know everything that's inside the pyramids?" https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3s7ljo/e...

I suspect both were inspired by US Presidential candidate Ben Carson's recent claims that (he believes) they were built by Joseph to store grain (as per the Book of Genesis).

That would make sense, thanks (your reasoning, not Carson's reasoning.)
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