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In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by oh_sigh »

superuser2 wrote: post #5
mc32 wrote: post #2

Bollards. Give residents proximity sensors which allow them and only them access thru the bollards. Piggy backing will happen but they'll be waiting a log time. Not saying place them everywhere just make it so the open streets are more mazelike so when friends need to visit there is a way in, it just happens to be byzantine, frustrating interlopers who want to cut through.

That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money. If you don't want to deal with plebeians on your roads, then you need to pay a developer to build private roads. LA streets do not belong to the neighborhoods, they belong to the city. If neighbors are concerned about congestion, perhaps they should support policy that promotes density and mass transit.

"Local Traffic Only" signs are very common, and legally enforceable.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by greggman »

wyclif wrote: post #19

LA has always seemed like a terrible quality-of-life city to live in because of the traffic. The amount of time spent commuting makes me wonder why tech people, at least, don't want to move out of there.

You don't commute. AFAIK most of tech is in Silicon Beach and most people live within 20-30 mins

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by theheck »

Congested streets are the result of them being managed by the government, they aren't caused by poor road design.

All roads should be privatized, and consumers should pay for them like every other good and service they use.

How do popular restaurants, sports stadiums, and every other aspect of the economy deal with massive demand and limited supply?

Raising prices, and in the long-term making capital investments to increase supply.

Street congestion should be the quintessential textbook example in Econ 101 to explain the concepts of economic shortages.

Can you imagine any other good or service whose price never changes based on demand NOT having shortages?

Imagine a concert hall that charged the same price for seats whether the Rolling Stones or Vanilla Ice is playing?

The experiment with public streets has been a massive failure, and it's time to be ended.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by dionidium »

viraptor wrote: post #35
dionidium wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are all over St. Louis, but for a totally different reason: crime prevention. * https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6280859,-90.2583063,3a,75y,2... * https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6289577,-90.2580606,3a,75y,2...

Can you explain how it's supposed to work? I mean why is it crime preventing?

Here's an article that explains the theory pretty well: http://www.popcenter.org/Responses/closing_streets/print/

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by superuser2 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #41
superuser2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money. If you don't want to deal with plebeians on your roads, then you need to pay a developer to build private roads. LA streets do not belong to the neighborhoods, they belong to the city. If neighbors are concerned about congestion, perhaps they should support policy that promotes density and mass transit.

"Local Traffic Only" signs are very common, and legally enforceable.

For specific blocks under construction, where "local" means "your destination is on this block" not "you own a home in this neighborhood."

Have you ever seen a permanent one?

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by theheck »

theheck wrote: post #43

Congested streets are the result of them being managed by the government, they aren't caused by poor road design. All roads should be privatized, and consumers should pay for them like every other good and service they use. How do popular restaurants, sports stadiums, and every other aspect of the economy deal with massive demand and limited supply? Raising prices, and in the long-term making capital investments to i…

Why down votes? At least explain why you're down voting.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by refurb »

WildUtah wrote: post #27
refurb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, if you look at the map where that is, they did it just slightly south of that road as well. Basically you can't get from the east side of that neighborhood to the west side without leaving it.

"you can't get from the east side of that neighborhood to the west" Of course you can, just use your feet.

That doesn't work to well in the suburbs.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Post by oh_sigh »

superuser2 wrote: post #45
oh_sigh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Local Traffic Only" signs are very common, and legally enforceable.

For specific blocks under construction, where "local" means "your destination is on this block" not "you own a home in this neighborhood." Have you ever seen a permanent one?

Yes. They look like this: http://i.imgur.com/KVTe4zp.jpg
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