I've noticed some of the "Waze shortcuts' making their way into Google maps. Some of these are pretty hairy. For anyone familiar with SF, here's an example: To get from 8th & Bryant to 3rd & Bryant, Google Maps/Waze wants you to get on I-80 at 8th and exit at 4th. That would be OK but you enter 80 from the left side of the interstate and must exit within a quarter mile to the right side of the interstate. This means…
In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash
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#32I've noticed some of the "Waze shortcuts' making their way into Google maps. Some of these are pretty hairy. For anyone familiar with SF, here's an example: To get from 8th & Bryant to 3rd & Bryant, Google Maps/Waze wants you to get on I-80 at 8th and exit at 4th. That would be OK but you enter 80 from the left side of the interstate and must exit within a quarter mile to the right side of the interstate. This means…
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#33Bollards. Give residents proximity sensors which allow them and only them access thru the bollards. Piggy backing will happen but they'll be waiting a log time. Not saying place them everywhere just make it so the open streets are more mazelike so when friends need to visit there is a way in, it just happens to be byzantine, frustrating interlopers who want to cut through.
That's not a solution but a workaround. White people should get over their fear of using public transport. As long as they don't, the necessary investments won't be made to make public transport better.
But in Silicon Valley (for example), the problem is that the routes were largely drawn for political motives, not to meet actual needs.
Take, for example, the VTA light rail routes. The trains are so empty that farebox returns barely make a dent in operating costs, let alone debt service, worker benefits, etc. I have to wait at crossings for the Mountain View / Tasman line often, and I rarely see more than 2-3 people per car. It seems to have been designed to serve the Lockheed complex first and foremost, except that Lockheed now has a fraction of the employees that it did when the line was drawn. Head of the House Transportation Committee then? Norm Mineta. In 1995, Mineta quit his seat mid-term after losing his chairmanship (forcing a chain reaction of special elections that cost county taxpayers tens of millions of dollars... but that's another rant) to become an executive in the private sector. Guess where? Yup, Lockheed Martin.
Overall, the VTA bus/rail system has a farebox return of about 14%, last I checked. It would be cheaper to buy ridesharing-company rides at retail for every passenger at public expense than VTA costs taxpayers overall.
They even artificially boost ridership stats by allowing homeless to just ride and sleep on buses, end to end for the whole route, all night.
Meanwhile, Caltrain is so crowded that most trains need standing room for at least part of the route... because Caltrain actually goes where people need to go and is comparatively well-run.
It's not elitism, for the most part; it's functionality.
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#34Bollards. Give residents proximity sensors which allow them and only them access thru the bollards. Piggy backing will happen but they'll be waiting a log time. Not saying place them everywhere just make it so the open streets are more mazelike so when friends need to visit there is a way in, it just happens to be byzantine, frustrating interlopers who want to cut through.
That's not a solution but a workaround. White people should get over their fear of using public transport. As long as they don't, the necessary investments won't be made to make public transport better.
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#35This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...
These are all over St. Louis, but for a totally different reason: crime prevention. * https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6280859,-90.2583063,3a,75y,2... * https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6289577,-90.2580606,3a,75y,2...
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#36This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...
This seems to be really common in the Bay Area and was one of the reasons I absolutely hated the city of Berkeley when I was there. You just can't direct traffic like this if your infrastructure can't handle the load to begin with; it's selfish beyond belief. In Los Angeles, people were using Fullerton Road like this for years. The county finally got funding and actually realigned it to a proper road for people to us…
The point is that the non-arterial road can't handle the load, so the barrier returns it to its original purpose — the residents of and visitors to that street.
The intention is that the people who were using this route either - use the main road (slightly increasing the traffic there) - use public transport or a bicycle instead - stop making the journey altogether
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#37Apps that change their users' behavior can have massive public policy effects. Whether you think this change in traffic patterns is okay or not, it was not made with the public's interests in mind, nor with the input of democratically-elected representatives.
"nor with the input of democratic..." Really? The public and elected officials never decided to build and open public streets that everyone has a right to travel on? A republic isn't a place where every new decision and idea requires government approval -- that's a totalitarian dictatorship. A republic is where we elect people to set and enforce the rules for us and then we work within the rules absolutely any way we…
In the past it was often assumed that most people would stay on major roads because only locals memorized chains of streets and even the people who planned routes (Thomas Brothers maps were a hallmark of the SoCal commuter, after all) would chain a few routes together but generally still kept it to what a human could remember since you couldn't safely read a map while driving.
Now that that has completely changed, it's probably true to say that the majority of local roads and traffic flows need to be reconsidered to see whether the signage or structure should change to enforce the way it was previously assumed they'd be used.
Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash
#38I've noticed some of the "Waze shortcuts' making their way into Google maps. Some of these are pretty hairy. For anyone familiar with SF, here's an example: To get from 8th & Bryant to 3rd & Bryant, Google Maps/Waze wants you to get on I-80 at 8th and exit at 4th. That would be OK but you enter 80 from the left side of the interstate and must exit within a quarter mile to the right side of the interstate. This means…
A shortcut is supposed to be difficult; if it was easy, it would just be 'the way'.
Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash
#39This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...
This seems to be really common in the Bay Area and was one of the reasons I absolutely hated the city of Berkeley when I was there. You just can't direct traffic like this if your infrastructure can't handle the load to begin with; it's selfish beyond belief. In Los Angeles, people were using Fullerton Road like this for years. The county finally got funding and actually realigned it to a proper road for people to us…
I don't see what's "selfish" about this. Different roads serve different purposes--these sorts of neighborhood streets are meant to be quiet streets shared by a variety of modes of transportation heading in various directions, freeways like the 405 are designed to accommodate large numbers of motor vehicles heading in a single direction. They are designed for these distinct purposes--they differ in their construction materials, in the number of intersections, in their safety features, and in their proximity to homes.
To me, the idea that we should just declare the two equivalent when traffic is sufficiently bad sounds a bit like saying that it's selfish of pedestrians to not allow drivers to use the sidewalk at rush hour.
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#40This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...
This seems to be really common in the Bay Area and was one of the reasons I absolutely hated the city of Berkeley when I was there. You just can't direct traffic like this if your infrastructure can't handle the load to begin with; it's selfish beyond belief. In Los Angeles, people were using Fullerton Road like this for years. The county finally got funding and actually realigned it to a proper road for people to us…