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In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...

Mountain View has done the same thing. https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3814583,-122.0585511,3a,75y,...

Wow, if you look at the map where that is, they did it just slightly south of that road as well. Basically you can't get from the east side of that neighborhood to the west side without leaving it.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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post #8

This problem is solved in Berzerkeley and for cheap. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8633369,-122.2652156,3a,75y,...

These are all over St. Louis, but for a totally different reason: crime prevention.

* https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6280859,-90.2583063,3a,75y,2...

* https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6289577,-90.2580606,3a,75y,2...

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

#13
post #2

Bollards. Give residents proximity sensors which allow them and only them access thru the bollards. Piggy backing will happen but they'll be waiting a log time. Not saying place them everywhere just make it so the open streets are more mazelike so when friends need to visit there is a way in, it just happens to be byzantine, frustrating interlopers who want to cut through.

That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money. If you don't want to deal with plebeians on your roads, then you need to pay a developer to build private roads. LA streets do not belong to the neighborhoods, they belong to the city. If neighbors are concerned about congestion, perhaps they should support policy that promotes density and mass transit.

> That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money.

Sure you do. All you need is to make up a majority of the local voters. Won't work in LA; might work in, say, Long Beach.

Residents pass traffic ordinances screwing over drivers for practically no gain to themselves all the time. You're only allowed to vote on policies for where you live, not where you drive.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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post #2

Bollards. Give residents proximity sensors which allow them and only them access thru the bollards. Piggy backing will happen but they'll be waiting a log time. Not saying place them everywhere just make it so the open streets are more mazelike so when friends need to visit there is a way in, it just happens to be byzantine, frustrating interlopers who want to cut through.

That's not a solution but a workaround.

White people should get over their fear of using public transport. As long as they don't, the necessary investments won't be made to make public transport better.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking the side streets to avoid the main road is called "rat-running" in Britain. Here, it's called Waze . Waze has actually created a lot of angst in some previously-quieter areas, like Los Gatos CA being inundated with Waze users seeking ways around beach-bound traffic.

Since I occasionally use that highway (and don't cut through), I have a suggestion for Los Gatos. If they don't want their streets used, close the southbound entrance to 17. No one will cut through and highway traffic will improve, because there isn't an uncontrolled merge onto a 2 lane highway. Of course those that live there like having an uncontrolled merge, because it makes their life easier so don't hold your br…

I doubt that CHP would allow that. It would also prevent natives from heading southbound.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money. If you don't want to deal with plebeians on your roads, then you need to pay a developer to build private roads. LA streets do not belong to the neighborhoods, they belong to the city. If neighbors are concerned about congestion, perhaps they should support policy that promotes density and mass transit.

> That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money. Sure you do. All you need is to make up a majority of the local voters. Won't work in LA; might work in, say, Long Beach. Residents pass traffic ordinances screwing over drivers for practically no gain to themselves all the time. You're only allowed to vote on policies for where you live , not where you drive.

The city is the functional unit for making that distinction, though, not the neighborhood. LA could vote to exclude non-LA residents, but a specific neighborhood or block could not vote to exclude other city residents.

Re: In L.A., One Way to Beat Traffic Runs into Backlash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's called a gated community and you don't get to fund them with taxpayer money. Sure you do. All you need is to make up a majority of the local voters. Won't work in LA; might work in, say, Long Beach. Residents pass traffic ordinances screwing over drivers for practically no gain to themselves all the time. You're only allowed to vote on policies for where you live , not where you drive.

The city is the functional unit for making that distinction, though, not the neighborhood. LA could vote to exclude non-LA residents, but a specific neighborhood or block could not vote to exclude other city residents.

Local neighborhoods frequently are "the city". There's a sense in which Anaheim, Long Beach, etc etc etc aren't part of LA, but not any sense a person who doesn't vote in the area would care about.
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