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Could both of you let the bodies cool down before you start rambling about what they might and might not do? There is no "prime cause" that is easy to work on, the situation is much more complicated than terrorism is the outcome of US/Western US policy. So unless your solution for the "prime cause" is glassing the middle east a large portion of asia and africa there won't be just one simple solution. Not to mention t…
Didn't France approve sweeping surveillance laws back in July? And they even were on high alert due to international talks happening in Paris... Italy and Spain also stopped terrorist cells this month, but they don't seem to have such laws... Guess they need more unwarranted power, uh?
We need targeted surveillance and by that I mean something that many will vehemently disagree with. Before you down vote, please make the effort to read to the end and then down vote! If I was a doctor and my patient had cancer in his foot, then if try to treat the foot to get rid of the cancer. I would also pay particularly close attention to the leg connected to that foot, to make sure that the cancer did not sprea…
Didn't France approve sweeping surveillance laws back in July? And they even were on high alert due to international talks happening in Paris... Italy and Spain also stopped terrorist cells this month, but they don't seem to have such laws... Guess they need more unwarranted power, uh?
We need targeted surveillance and by that I mean something that many will vehemently disagree with. Before you down vote, please make the effort to read to the end and then down vote! If I was a doctor and my patient had cancer in his foot, then if try to treat the foot to get rid of the cancer. I would also pay particularly close attention to the leg connected to that foot, to make sure that the cancer did not sprea…
And Christians, of course (Brevik). Probably atheists and Jews as well, just in case.
If you have any other questions, I'll try to point you to reliable sources. Thanks for your interest in what happens to our country!
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We need targeted surveillance and by that I mean something that many will vehemently disagree with. Before you down vote, please make the effort to read to the end and then down vote! If I was a doctor and my patient had cancer in his foot, then if try to treat the foot to get rid of the cancer. I would also pay particularly close attention to the leg connected to that foot, to make sure that the cancer did not sprea…
Draconian measures targeted against large ethnic groups has been historically unsuccessful in Europe. It also grievously violates the core principles of an open and liberal society, which are presumably what we are supposed to be defending. Vehemently disagreeing with your opinion is a crucial necessity for anyone who stands for democracy and liberty.
As I see it we have several options:
1. We accept the fact that we will have more terror attacks in major European cities as a given. We such it up and we continue to live in a free and liberal society.
2. We accept total surveillance of our society. As the technology becomes more honed, terror attacks might be easier to prevent before they start.
3. We accept targeted surveillance of those groups that are most likely to end up radicalised and commit terror attacks.
4. The more ideas the better...
Is a curfew in place? I know that all universities and research institutes are closed on Saturday.[1] Sucks if you have cells to maintain. It would be awfully sad if people can't go out and drink and eat freely in one of the great European cities. If I was still in Paris I'd want to be having a good, relaxed time with my friends tonight. [1]Bonjour, Sur décision de la Mairie de Paris et du Rectorat, toutes les écoles…
The curfew was put into place last night, the first time it has happened since 1944 apparently, but it was lifted again by this morning. It's still recommended to not go outside unless you have to, but not forbidden. (Very recently a car reportedly with four heavily armed people in it broke through a police barrier, driving towards Paris - nobody knows if directly connected yet..) It's still quite a tense atmosphere…
Is a curfew in place? I know that all universities and research institutes are closed on Saturday.[1] Sucks if you have cells to maintain. It would be awfully sad if people can't go out and drink and eat freely in one of the great European cities. If I was still in Paris I'd want to be having a good, relaxed time with my friends tonight. [1]Bonjour, Sur décision de la Mairie de Paris et du Rectorat, toutes les écoles…
The curfew was put into place last night, the first time it has happened since 1944 apparently, but it was lifted again by this morning. It's still recommended to not go outside unless you have to, but not forbidden. (Very recently a car reportedly with four heavily armed people in it broke through a police barrier, driving towards Paris - nobody knows if directly connected yet..) It's still quite a tense atmosphere…
It took a while to find a source that wasn't the Daily Mail
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-police-...
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We need targeted surveillance and by that I mean something that many will vehemently disagree with. Before you down vote, please make the effort to read to the end and then down vote! If I was a doctor and my patient had cancer in his foot, then if try to treat the foot to get rid of the cancer. I would also pay particularly close attention to the leg connected to that foot, to make sure that the cancer did not sprea…
> is to monitor all Muslims living in Europe And Christians, of course (Brevik). Probably atheists and Jews as well, just in case.
> is to monitor all Muslims living in Europe who have the potential to be radicalised
The last part of that is important. I'm talked about targeted surveillance.
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Full-on /r/conspiratard material. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/
More overt operations in Syria is a plausible outcome, so it's not full-on.
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Draconian measures targeted against large ethnic groups has been historically unsuccessful in Europe. It also grievously violates the core principles of an open and liberal society, which are presumably what we are supposed to be defending. Vehemently disagreeing with your opinion is a crucial necessity for anyone who stands for democracy and liberty.
Do you have an alternative? All I see is naïve suggestions. As I see it we have several options: 1. We accept the fact that we will have more terror attacks in major European cities as a given. We such it up and we continue to live in a free and liberal society. 2. We accept total surveillance of our society. As the technology becomes more honed, terror attacks might be easier to prevent before they start. 3. We acce…
I disagree that draconian monitoring of Muslims in general is accurately described as "targeted surveillance." Targeted surveillance means intelligence gathering on specific individuals or groups of individuals, not entire religious-ethnic populations.
I also see no a priori reason why broadening the scope of surveillance to require monitoring of more than 50 million peaceful citizens would be an effective use of intelligence resources.
I could come up with some naïve suggestion of my own, but they would probably be too radical for the leaders of the Western world to consider. Western diplomatic apology for illegal wars and terrorism in the Middle East could be one part.
For a hopefully less naïve perspective, I'll link to this interview with professor Chomsky.