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Re: State of emergency in France

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This is a false-flag attack designed to motivate moving western operations in Syria from covert to overt. There are already Russians and Chinese in Syria so this could literally kick of WWIII if no one stops it. Unfortunately the media is so well controlled that the ubiquitous war propaganda is generally not questioned. As demonstrated by the instant downvote of my comment, media that isn't explicitly controlled is g…

> This is a false-flag attack designed to motivate moving western operations in Syria from covert to overt. There are already Russians and Chinese in Syria so this could literally kick of WWIII if no one stops it. Unfortunately the media is so well controlled that the ubiquitous war propaganda is generally not questioned.

> As demonstrated by the instant downvote of my comment, media that isn't explicitly controlled is generally self-censored to protect the mythical reality supporting the war effort.

The instant downvoting of your comment has got very little to do with a global conspiracy and media control and far more to do with the fact that your are seriously deluded. Your comments are of the type "I am the only sane person in the world"

Re: State of emergency in France

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Is a curfew in place? I know that all universities and research institutes are closed on Saturday.[1] Sucks if you have cells to maintain. It would be awfully sad if people can't go out and drink and eat freely in one of the great European cities. If I was still in Paris I'd want to be having a good, relaxed time with my friends tonight. [1]Bonjour, Sur décision de la Mairie de Paris et du Rectorat, toutes les écoles…

The curfew was put into place last night, the first time it has happened since 1944 apparently, but it was lifted again by this morning. It's still recommended to not go outside unless you have to, but not forbidden. (Very recently a car reportedly with four heavily armed people in it broke through a police barrier, driving towards Paris - nobody knows if directly connected yet..) It's still quite a tense atmosphere…

Thanks for clarifying that.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Didn't France approve sweeping surveillance laws back in July? And they even were on high alert due to international talks happening in Paris... Italy and Spain also stopped terrorist cells this month, but they don't seem to have such laws... Guess they need more unwarranted power, uh?

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Re: State of emergency in France

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This is a false-flag attack designed to motivate moving western operations in Syria from covert to overt. There are already Russians and Chinese in Syria so this could literally kick of WWIII if no one stops it. Unfortunately the media is so well controlled that the ubiquitous war propaganda is generally not questioned. As demonstrated by the instant downvote of my comment, media that isn't explicitly controlled is g…

Not everything is a false flag attack. People are down voting you because you provide zero substantive evidence to your claims. Personally I am against a violent response as I know it's futile yet I still believe this attack was legit ISIS. The problem was caused by war and won't be solved by more war.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

Re: State of emergency in France

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This is a false-flag attack designed to motivate moving western operations in Syria from covert to overt. There are already Russians and Chinese in Syria so this could literally kick of WWIII if no one stops it. Unfortunately the media is so well controlled that the ubiquitous war propaganda is generally not questioned. As demonstrated by the instant downvote of my comment, media that isn't explicitly controlled is g…

The news media was suggesting that France and European internal border security has not been so rigorous.

That's by design not mistake. Within the Schengen Area borders are pretty much left open. Even flying you might be asked for ID by the airline but won't be by border control. If you drive from France to, say, Belgium, you'll just drive past a "Welcome to Belgium" sign.

Re: State of emergency in France

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This is a false-flag attack designed to motivate moving western operations in Syria from covert to overt. There are already Russians and Chinese in Syria so this could literally kick of WWIII if no one stops it. Unfortunately the media is so well controlled that the ubiquitous war propaganda is generally not questioned. As demonstrated by the instant downvote of my comment, media that isn't explicitly controlled is g…

Full-on /r/conspiratard material.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/

Re: State of emergency in France

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This is a false-flag attack designed to motivate moving western operations in Syria from covert to overt. There are already Russians and Chinese in Syria so this could literally kick of WWIII if no one stops it. Unfortunately the media is so well controlled that the ubiquitous war propaganda is generally not questioned. As demonstrated by the instant downvote of my comment, media that isn't explicitly controlled is g…

Full-on /r/conspiratard material. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/

More overt operations in Syria is a plausible outcome, so it's not full-on.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Didn't France approve sweeping surveillance laws back in July? And they even were on high alert due to international talks happening in Paris... Italy and Spain also stopped terrorist cells this month, but they don't seem to have such laws... Guess they need more unwarranted power, uh?

We need targeted surveillance and by that I mean something that many will vehemently disagree with. Before you down vote, please make the effort to read to the end and then down vote!

If I was a doctor and my patient had cancer in his foot, then if try to treat the foot to get rid of the cancer. I would also pay particularly close attention to the leg connected to that foot, to make sure that the cancer did not spread throughout the entire body.

With that in mind, I believe that our only choice, assuming we want our free and open societies to remain as they are, is to monitor all Muslims living in Europe who have the potential to be radicalised and turned cancerous. Warrant, judge, monitor.

We could try and close all the borders (they are porous) or we can make pointless suggestions, like we should kick all immigrants out of our countries, but the fact remains that the attackers in London and Paris earlier in the year (and I'm betting last night too) are second or third generation immigrants who were born in the west.

Since 9/11 the security services have tried to crack down on radicalization within the internal Muslim communities, by expelling radical clerics, but the internet allows the radicalization of the very young and marginalised youth (mostly boys), to continue. This isn't surprising considering the racism against immigrants in the ghettoes of Paris, and the exclusion of these youths from French society. First came the riots in 2005, and now something much more sinister has arrived.

Or societies are desperately trying not to impose draconian rules of monitoring on a religious group, but as it stands I see little choice in the matter.

Also Germany is facing a firestorm. Within the large numbers of genuine refugees, are Syrian fighters from both sides. Some are most likely disillusioned by the brutality of ISIS, and some are coming to watch the world burn. We desperately need to know who these people are and urgently before they disappear into the masses.

We also need to understand ISIS and what they are trying to do. Wikileaks recently published a document [1] that outlines their goals and they are simple. They want to achieve the Islamic State with pure Sharia Law. Moderate Muslims (aka "the greyzone") either have to join, or be burnt in the war with all other Kafir (that has been prophesied). They need the west to turn against their Muslim communities forcing them back to fighting and into the open arms of ISIS. They want those new immigrants in Germany to be excluded, treated like dogs, so that they either return to the middle east and (re)join the perverted form of Islam that is preached by IS.

Now you can see the dilemma that the west faces. On the one hand, logic dictates that they need to closely monitor the youths in Europe who are getting radicalised over the internet, but they can't single out a religious group without a severe backlash. The alternative is to monitor everyone on the internet, because in doing that you get to watch the small part that you are interested in, without appearing to religiously persecuting Muslims.

Finally, there is a twitter account [2] that follows radical militia fighters from Syria and the middle East. A large number of which are now posting photos of them in Europe now. We need to find them now.

[1] ISIS strategy in France: Provoke a crackdown on Muslims to "Eliminate the Grayzone" https://t.co/8fb8BbKOG2 #ParisAttacks #AttaquesParis

[2] https://mobile.twitter.com/EU_MilitiaWatch/

Re: State of emergency in France

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Didn't France approve sweeping surveillance laws back in July? And they even were on high alert due to international talks happening in Paris... Italy and Spain also stopped terrorist cells this month, but they don't seem to have such laws... Guess they need more unwarranted power, uh?

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Could both of you let the bodies cool down before you start rambling about what they might and might not do? There is no "prime cause" that is easy to work on, the situation is much more complicated than terrorism is the outcome of US/Western US policy. So unless your solution for the "prime cause" is glassing the middle east a large portion of asia and africa there won't be just one simple solution. Not to mention that working on the "prime cause" in the eyes of such people is justification enough there have been just as many attacks against western targets for building schools as for blowing them up.

Re: State of emergency in France

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Is a curfew in place? I know that all universities and research institutes are closed on Saturday.[1] Sucks if you have cells to maintain. It would be awfully sad if people can't go out and drink and eat freely in one of the great European cities. If I was still in Paris I'd want to be having a good, relaxed time with my friends tonight. [1]Bonjour, Sur décision de la Mairie de Paris et du Rectorat, toutes les écoles…

I've never seen a university closure that didn't still require certain essential employees, like those caring for animals (and presumably cells?), to work. Can someone confirm whether that is the case here?

University closures are typically not tightly enforced. Grad students and post docs aren't considered essential personell, but if they have cells to maintain they will probably come in regardless. We had several closures due to weather last year, and my lab mates doing cell culture still came in and replaced media as needed.
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