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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by yourepowerless »

OldSchoolPro wrote: post #216
tomashertus wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How awesome, awesome comment. People are dying and the only thing you care about is "totally total mass surveillance law"....

Exactly, every time the government wants to pass a law, they can arrange the killing of a few dozen/hundred/thousand people.

I assume thoughtless people will just dismiss this as conspiracy theory, somehow oblivious to how far that goal post have moved recently.

Governments kill way more people than terrorists ever will, but fear those the government tells you to fear...

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by Shivetya »

Houshalter wrote: post #206
rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

Only because people let it. There is little danger form actual terrorism, but there is massive danger from people's reactions to terrorism.

I think you underestimate the impact this type of terrorism has. The real massive danger is constantly trying to downplay it. The simple fact is, when facing an irrational enemy the last thing you can do is try to shift the blame to those who react.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by waterlesscloud »

vacri wrote: post #180
jacquesm wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it could wait for a day or two, this is happening right now and it is entirely disrespectful to those involved to derail this into some argument contra the surveillance state.

I think you're in error here. Benevol is talking about we need to talk about what kind of life we want to live, and this is a good time to talk about it. You yourself have been providing a lot of context in this thread (exhausting my upvote muscles...) talking about the same thing - why this is happening, sources of unrest, how to deal with the root problem, how technology is actually contributing to the problem... a…

No, it's a terrible time to talk about it. Talk about it now and you're going to get emotion-driven reactions, and they aren't going to be what you want.

There isn't any time that would be less effective for your goals than right now.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by CountSessine »

fukusa wrote: post #233
CountSessine wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes more sense. To whom - you? Based on what? Logic? You've made no argument. Based on an untested model of psychology bouncing around in your head?

To anybody with basic reasoning capabilities. There are millions of Muslims in France. You could try to make it look like Islam is the cause of all this, but that would be hard to prove.

And that's your argument? Negative correlation based on your own incredulity?

The terrorists themselves claim a religious muslim tradition. The best you have is that they're brainwashed victims, because, well, there's lots of other muslims who don't become terrorists?

You have no basic reasoning capabilities yourself. At least the poster you were responding to had a correlation. You have nothing.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by johnchristopher »

mindcrime wrote: post #208
rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

You have a point, but what kind of reaction do you want/expect?

Most of HN can't wait for the complete automation of society so I guess acting and feeling like robots or cold algorithms would do it.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by ajmurmann »

voynich61 wrote: post #190
rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

Only because people like you seem to think it's such a big deal. If people were to look at it as it is and comprehend the scope of the matter, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

That's exactly the attitude with which we will get the situation Michel Houellebecq describes in his "Submission" novel.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by thieving_magpie »

moultano wrote: post #192
rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

If it were universally ignored, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

You make it sound quite easy. I am personally not able to ignore something like this even though I understand a robotic reaction would help the situation. The problem is a lasting overreaction, not having feelings of sympathy.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by zxcvcxz »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #221
Houshalter wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does intention matter?

> Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. Intention is all that matters , and why its attempting to damage social fabric.

But people like you who are over reacting are the people who are allowing the social fabric to be damaged.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jacquesm »

tallerholler wrote: post #164
rayiner wrote: post #125

Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

yes. the damage goes way beyond the death toll. it will be interesting to see how (if) this impacts current policies towards the middle east/syria/isis, personal freedoms/surveillance laws etc. maybe it will also have a side-effect of uniting people and countries against a common threat to all humanity.

> maybe it will also have a side-effect of uniting people and countries against a common threat to all humanity.

I don't think that will happen. Remember "Je suis Charlie"? How long did that sentiment last?

It's a matter of time before people will be writing 'Je suis Francais', and then promptly forget it a few days or weeks later.

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