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Post by sytse »

ridruejo wrote: post #106
sytse wrote: post #98

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At GitLab we see that one-click installers are frequently out of date and might not contain our Omnibus packages. The worst example of these are the Bitnami packages that can't be updated at all. We advise to not use one-click installers but instead start an vanilla Ubuntu 14.04 instance and use the recommended Omnibus package installation. This is almost as quick as a one-click install and you're sure of the latest…

Earlier versions had problems, but it has been a while we fixed it and that is no longer the case. We bundle now PostgreSQL and provide instructions for upgrades : https://wiki.bitnami.com/Applications/BitNami_GitLab#How_to_... We are working on verifying the upgrade instructions with the new major version recently released. Happy to address any concerns or issues we missed

Good to see that upgrading is better. I've adapted our statement https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/9016bfe2... Compared to an installation from source, the Omnibus package is faster to install and upgrade, more reliable to upgrade and maintain. With your installation I think you have to upgrade GitLab, GitLab Shell and the nginx config separately. This is solved if you use the Omnibus package.

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Post by 746F7475 »

icebraining wrote: post #43
746F7475 wrote: post #38

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I talked long and hard with my ISP when they discontinued my "phone" connection and pushed me faster (jump from 8Mb/s to 100Mb/s) connection via TV cable and only way they can deliver me connection where I can expose ports to the Internet is 3G connection (which works around 3-5Mb/s where I live on a good day) I'm not ISP locked, but no other ISP offers me anything else since: "we don't offer worse service since we c…

There's no reason why a cable connection can't have a public IP, I certainly did in both of my previous ISPs. Are you sure the other ISPs also have carrier NAT?

All I know is no matter what I do I can't get ports open to the Internet and my ISP plain out told me that it's impossible on their infrastructure

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Post by nikolay »

kentonv wrote: post #16

"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos you can try yourself! https://apps.sandstorm.io/ Tiny Tiny RSS, Ghost, Gitlab, and Rocket.Chat are in there. ownCloud is missing, but you can try Davros, which is compatible with the ownCloud client apps. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdy…

... except that it doesn't have basic stuff like email. For that I use Mail-in-a-Box [0], but I would love to see both projects merging.

[0] https://mailinabox.email/

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Post by jeena »

vincentkriek wrote: post #2

Although this is a nice write up about a possible setup for self hosted alternatives for popular cloud services, I don't like it. It falls short to compare the different possible services and the possibilities you can have with them. OwnCloud is nice, but why should I pick on OwnCloud and not SeaFile. Ampache is cool, but why not Subsonic? I would like to read the reasoning behind the individual choices OR the reason…

What doesn't work well with XMPP is history on all my devices. I want to use it on my work computer, then when it's time to go I'd like to change to my phone on the way to the train station, then on the train I'd like to keep on chatting on my laptop and when I'm home I'd like to end the discussion on my iMac. I still want to be able to scroll up and to read what I or anyone else in that chat room said before. This seems to be a feature where XAMPP and IRC fail me.

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Post by jeena »

edhelas wrote: post #91
stephenr wrote: post #20

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> RocketChat I don't know and I should look into but I do feel that XMPP should be the chat replacement for all Agreed. Given that there are multiple, open source servers, several good open source Web clients and literally hundreds of native libraries/clients, XMPP seems like the obvious choice here. What irks me even more - Rocket Chats homepage: > Native client applications available for download on Linux, Windows…

Fully based on XMPP there's also Movim which bring social network features on top of it https://movim.eu/ . P.S.: I'm the author of the project.

So how does it relate to XMPP? Is Movim a XMPP server like ejabberd? Or is it something else?

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Post by stephenr »

jeena wrote: post #125
edhelas wrote: post #91

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Fully based on XMPP there's also Movim which bring social network features on top of it https://movim.eu/ . P.S.: I'm the author of the project.

So how does it relate to XMPP? Is Movim a XMPP server like ejabberd? Or is it something else?

It looks like it uses xmpp more like the way Google wave did than regular im but I can't tell for sure, I signed up but wasn't able to login with a browser and they only have Linux-ish native apps.

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Post by kentonv »

nikolay wrote: post #123
kentonv wrote: post #16

"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos you can try yourself! https://apps.sandstorm.io/ Tiny Tiny RSS, Ghost, Gitlab, and Rocket.Chat are in there. ownCloud is missing, but you can try Davros, which is compatible with the ownCloud client apps. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdy…

... except that it doesn't have basic stuff like email. For that I use Mail-in-a-Box [0], but I would love to see both projects merging. [0] https://mailinabox.email/

Sandstorm does have an email app (roundcube), though admittedly it's a little weird to use right now. We plan to make Sandstorm work better as an email server in the future, probably early 2016-ish.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

tedunangst wrote: post #115
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My first RSS reader was self-hosted. When I went away on vacation and came back to learn that my computer had shut down during that time, I switched to Google Reader.

Curious. I had the opposite experience. Went away on vacation and came back to learn Google Reader had shut down.

Must have been a pretty long vacation. ;)

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Post by unethical_ban »

kentonv wrote: post #119
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The problem with sandstorm is the dependence on third-party auth. Until sandstorm has internal user stores, it's not a viable self-hosting solution.

You can log in to Sandstorm using any email address. Eventually, we plan to support logging in using a PGP key. We see "internal user stores" (e.g. basic username/password with no connected email address) as problematic because a major design goal of Sandstorm is the ability to move data between hosts easily. Say you and five friends have been using Rocket.Chat on Sandstorm Oasis, and then you decide to transfer it t…

It's not a bad option, and you make a decent case for that. However, the entire point of self-hosting for me is to be entirely self-reliant. Why would I use a github account to login to a Sandstorm Gitlab instance?

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Post by sytse »

antsar wrote: post #112
sytse wrote: post #103

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:) Thanks for your response. For other people some context, the GitLab Omnibus packages contains one web server (nginx, but you can also use it with Apache). The CI server is now integrated in GitLab itself (no longer a separate app). And you have the option to run Mattermost (but if you choose not to set this up it will not consume any ram or CPU). The Omnibus packages allow you to quickly install GitLab without hav…

Just wanted to +1 the parent comment. I'm sure you're tired of hearing this, but it feels pretty backwards that we have to disable parts of the installation just to get it to work alongside other stuff (with a shared nginx instance, etc). Its understandable why you wanted to bundle everything, and I bet it makes installation much easier for beginners and/or lazy sysadmins. That said, it would be even better if the in…

"It seems like apt package dependencies would be more elegant than bundling everything together." totally agree, that why is why we're sponsoring Pirate Praveen who is working on a native Debian package.
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