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Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by mnutt »

jancborchardt wrote: post #49
kentonv wrote: post #16

"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos you can try yourself! https://apps.sandstorm.io/ Tiny Tiny RSS, Ghost, Gitlab, and Rocket.Chat are in there. ownCloud is missing, but you can try Davros, which is compatible with the ownCloud client apps. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdy…

If someone wants to push forward porting ownCloud to Sandstorm, check out this existing issue about it: https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues/89 For any help regarding ownCloud internals, everyone is very welcome in our IRC channel #owncloud-dev (on freenode).

Working on the other mentioned project, I've laid some of the groundwork in the last few months (Sandstorm now supports WebDAV, and the OwnCloud sync clients modified to connect) so it's certainly worth picking back up.

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by anc84 »

microtonal wrote: post #76
anc84 wrote: post #46

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You "just" have to rent some cheap server that is always on. That's the self-hosting part for "asynchronous synching". With that, you do not sent your data to a third-party for the delayed syncing, but you host that peer yourself. If you use syncthing, you could make it also save incremental backups and suddenly you got kinda of an online backup.

With BTSync you can even use encrypted read-only secret on the cloud peer, and it will never see any unencrypted data.

As long as BTSync does not betray you.

The idea is discussed for syncthing, https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing/issues/109

There is a 880 USD bounty on it at https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1474343-support-for-file...

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by kordless »

kentonv wrote: post #16

"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos you can try yourself! https://apps.sandstorm.io/ Tiny Tiny RSS, Ghost, Gitlab, and Rocket.Chat are in there. ownCloud is missing, but you can try Davros, which is compatible with the ownCloud client apps. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdy…

That's because MSaaS is fast becoming a new way to ship software. ISVs are taking a serious look at it to improve customer satisfaction and security concerns.

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by kordless »

kentonv wrote: post #16

"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos you can try yourself! https://apps.sandstorm.io/ Tiny Tiny RSS, Ghost, Gitlab, and Rocket.Chat are in there. ownCloud is missing, but you can try Davros, which is compatible with the ownCloud client apps. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdy…

That's because MSaaS is fast becoming a new way to ship software. ISVs are taking serious looks at it.

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by STRML »

Klathmon wrote: post #77
stephenr wrote: post #20

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> RocketChat I don't know and I should look into but I do feel that XMPP should be the chat replacement for all Agreed. Given that there are multiple, open source servers, several good open source Web clients and literally hundreds of native libraries/clients, XMPP seems like the obvious choice here. What irks me even more - Rocket Chats homepage: > Native client applications available for download on Linux, Windows…

I don't get this. Why does the language it's written in make it "not native"? Firefox is pretty "native", yet practically all of the UI is powered by JS. Hell some of the built in programs in windows 10 are using html/js/css and if you are going to argue that the built-in "part of the OS" programs aren't native, then what is? If you can see performance issues or problems with how it works then point those out, don't…

Well, that's just the issue. I have no problem with Electron apps as an idea, but they're often coupled with extremely slow rendering. You can tell immediately.

For instance, in Slack, which is more or less an Electron app / browser in a box, I can easily get it down to <5 fps just by posting a snippet or going too far in scrollback. Resizing the window is beyond painful, etc., etc. It all seems unbelievably unnecessary - why should a chat program, literally text on a screen, perform like this on a top-of-the-line quad-core i7 system?

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by Klathmon »

STRML wrote: post #86
Klathmon wrote: post #77

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I don't get this. Why does the language it's written in make it "not native"? Firefox is pretty "native", yet practically all of the UI is powered by JS. Hell some of the built in programs in windows 10 are using html/js/css and if you are going to argue that the built-in "part of the OS" programs aren't native, then what is? If you can see performance issues or problems with how it works then point those out, don't…

Well, that's just the issue. I have no problem with Electron apps as an idea, but they're often coupled with extremely slow rendering. You can tell immediately. For instance, in Slack, which is more or less an Electron app / browser in a box, I can easily get it down to <5 fps just by posting a snippet or going too far in scrollback. Resizing the window is beyond painful, etc., etc. It all seems unbelievably unnecess…

Having a problem with the performance is perfect criticism, but the commenter i was replying to was bashing it because of it's choice, not because of it's performance. He won't even try it before saying that.

web rendering doesn't automatically make an app slow. And in my experience choosing a "common" platform like the web allows an app to run everywhere. I'm not suddenly going to be able to triple my development speed, so without the common platform that means that i'd only be able to support one major platform, or all platforms but with a small fraction of the development speed, and most likely many more bugs.

And to be fair, saying slack is nothing more than "text on a screen" is really oversimplifying it. There are tons of formatting options, code highlighting, embedded HTML, embedded video and images, attachments, coloring, emojis, and more.

It seems like a pretty obvious choice to go with a web rendering engine seeing as it supports almost all of that "natively".

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by StavrosK »

vincentkriek wrote: post #5
tombrossman wrote: post #4

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I've installed and abandoned ownCloud several times, mostly because it is far too heavy for what I need and I had concerns about its security. I also had to set up EncFS on my local machines for client-side encryption of sensitive files because there was no way I was trusting that to ownCloud server-side. It took more work to set up but I have Seafile self-hosted on the smallest DigitalOcean VPS and it works beautifu…

> I also had to set up EncFS on my local machines for client-side encryption of sensitive files because there was no way I was trusting that to ownCloud server-side. Did you host OwnCloud yourself? But you didn't trust the software with your files? In what way is the SeaFile solution you are running now more trustworthy? > I'm still looking for a good self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV option that doesn't require PHP or MySQ…

Thanks for radicale! I switched to it from Google Calendar and Contacts. The git integration is amazing.

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by dualboot »

tombrossman wrote: post #4
vincentkriek wrote: post #2

Although this is a nice write up about a possible setup for self hosted alternatives for popular cloud services, I don't like it. It falls short to compare the different possible services and the possibilities you can have with them. OwnCloud is nice, but why should I pick on OwnCloud and not SeaFile. Ampache is cool, but why not Subsonic? I would like to read the reasoning behind the individual choices OR the reason…

I've installed and abandoned ownCloud several times, mostly because it is far too heavy for what I need and I had concerns about its security. I also had to set up EncFS on my local machines for client-side encryption of sensitive files because there was no way I was trusting that to ownCloud server-side. It took more work to set up but I have Seafile self-hosted on the smallest DigitalOcean VPS and it works beautifu…

I feel the same way about owncloud and most of the currently available webdav/filesync self-hosted options.

My compromise for the most part is having all of those services walled off behind vpn.

Re: Self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services

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Post by mattdotc »

vincentkriek wrote: post #2

Although this is a nice write up about a possible setup for self hosted alternatives for popular cloud services, I don't like it. It falls short to compare the different possible services and the possibilities you can have with them. OwnCloud is nice, but why should I pick on OwnCloud and not SeaFile. Ampache is cool, but why not Subsonic? I would like to read the reasoning behind the individual choices OR the reason…

Another subsonic user here...for a very long time as well. You'd have to have a very good product to get me to switch.

I donated years ago to the project and I'm grandfathered into the 'premium' app.

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