Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
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Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#2> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments.
It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash.
Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for security fixes...
Not to mention the likely possibility of breaking API changes in the container version. vagrant/puppet I'm looking at you, nothing is worse than having to figure out which ancient version of vagrant and puppet was used at creation in order to get the system running again. Or, well, look five years in the future, and hope today's hyped container solution will still be present then.
Fuck containers, get a properly managed ordinary Debian server and save yourself a lot of headaches.
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#3> One of the novel things about the platform is that it is hardware agnostic, meaning that it can control physical bare metal machines, virtualized environments, or even public cloud infrastructure
Cloud Foundry already has this capability (runs on AWS, vSphere, OpenStack, Vagrant(!) and now Azure); Otto is not far behind.
Anything you can supply a Garden backend for, Cloud Foundry can use.
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#4> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments. It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash. Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for securit…
I've tried so hard as an infrastructure person to explain this to people. It's better just to ignore the hype or move to sane orgs that aren't on the container hype train (so you're not wasting valuable time on tech that's going to get gutted eventually).
There is no magic tech that makes problems go away. Just abstractions (sometimes they work, sometimes they don't).
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#5> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments. It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash. Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for securit…
I've tried so hard as an infrastructure person to explain this to people. It's better just to ignore the hype or move to sane orgs that aren't on the container hype train (so you're not wasting valuable time on tech that's going to get gutted eventually). There is no magic tech that makes problems go away. Just abstractions (sometimes they work, sometimes they don't).
Welcome to my world. I'm currently dealing with DevOps and the cloud. It seems that the marketing machines in tech are running at full speed.
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#6> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments. It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash. Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for securit…
> each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for security fixes...
No, of course not. No single container should have a lifetime greater than a day or two. "Maintenance" is deploying the latest, integration- and end-to-end-tested version of the software, as part of a continuous build pipeline.
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#7> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments. It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash. Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for securit…
I've gotten so much utility out of docker, it feels absurd to read this comment. Containers made the sysadmin part significantly easier, whether it was testing new Node releases, trying out random databases or learning new languages. Without containers I would be spending a lot of time configuring servers/VMs and failing at that. So strange.
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#8> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments. It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash. Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for securit…
I've gotten so much utility out of docker, it feels absurd to read this comment. Containers made the sysadmin part significantly easier, whether it was testing new Node releases, trying out random databases or learning new languages. Without containers I would be spending a lot of time configuring servers/VMs and failing at that. So strange.
> Without containers I would be spending a lot of time configuring servers/VMs and failing at that
If it turns out during evaluation that setting up a simple Debian VM with the requirements of the tool, the tool ends up on the "black list" for me.
No matter the possible productivity gains, I won't use anything needing more than two hours just to get started (i.e. running a Hello World).
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#9> Container hype is running high. Developers have flocked to the technology for more easily packaging applications and running them across various disparate environments. It's a hype that should die in a fire bigger than the one reserved for Adobe Flash. Many people will think they can just deploy a shitload of containers and be done... well, each and every single one of them has to be maintained, updated for securit…
I've gotten so much utility out of docker, it feels absurd to read this comment. Containers made the sysadmin part significantly easier, whether it was testing new Node releases, trying out random databases or learning new languages. Without containers I would be spending a lot of time configuring servers/VMs and failing at that. So strange.
I don't think anybody is suggesting containers are bad for ephemeral exploration, development, the things you mention. The argument is what you use it for when it comes to production. For example if you're modeling machines with docker you're already using it wrong. Even docker considers that an anti-pattern.
Re: Ex VMware, Microsoft and Citrix workers set up application container company
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've gotten so much utility out of docker, it feels absurd to read this comment. Containers made the sysadmin part significantly easier, whether it was testing new Node releases, trying out random databases or learning new languages. Without containers I would be spending a lot of time configuring servers/VMs and failing at that. So strange.
> Without containers I would be spending a lot of time configuring servers/VMs and failing at that If it turns out during evaluation that setting up a simple Debian VM with the requirements of the tool, the tool ends up on the "black list" for me. No matter the possible productivity gains, I won't use anything needing more than two hours just to get started (i.e. running a Hello World).
Those possible productivity gains are available to me without putting in too much time or effort using containers. Seems like a win.