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Waterfox – A fast browser

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Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#41
post #7

I saw the screenshot and was hoping for crapware-free Firefox, but upon downloading it, the damned Hello icon was there in the toolbar. Presumably later versions will add Pocket too, once they start working off a later upstream Firefox version. Meh.

Pocket is being unbundled/moved to an addon that can be removed easier: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#42

I paused when I read Intel compiler - that thing is a steaming pile of crap, or at least was for godawful number of releases for a long time and I don't expect it to ever work in the real world with a non-trivial amount of C++ code base. And then I read about a Mozilla header causing it to ICE! Years ago, I was forced to make a company's product faster by "simply" recompiling it with ICC. It was losing in the benchma…

I had the exact opposite experience with Intel's "steaming pile of crap" as you put it. We had a computationally intensive app that was sped up by 25% compared to the version produced by MS compiler. This was few years ago though.

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#43
post #42

I paused when I read Intel compiler - that thing is a steaming pile of crap, or at least was for godawful number of releases for a long time and I don't expect it to ever work in the real world with a non-trivial amount of C++ code base. And then I read about a Mozilla header causing it to ICE! Years ago, I was forced to make a company's product faster by "simply" recompiling it with ICC. It was losing in the benchma…

I had the exact opposite experience with Intel's "steaming pile of crap" as you put it. We had a computationally intensive app that was sped up by 25% compared to the version produced by MS compiler. This was few years ago though.

Yep, I could totally see it speeding up computationally intensive code - but try downloading it and using it to compile entire code bases with medium to high level of complexity - like ACE/TAO or Qt or any other OSS project. It might compile at low optimization settings but then it's not faster and the moment you try to use optimizations it makes your life hell.

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#44
I used to use this a year or two ago but quit because it was always lagging behind the official releases. In many cases it wasn't his fault - I remember a few times he had found bugs in the intel compiler that prevented him from releasing new builds - but the reason for the wait doesn't really matter when the advantages are so negligible as they are in this case.

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#46
post #13

Is the Intel Compiler even appreciably faster these days? I thought CLang and GCC had basically caught up...

Assuming you compare apples to apples (IE put them both in the same precision modes, tell them both to actually follow the standard[1], etc), it's not appreciably faster for anything except really specialized kernels. [1] A lot of compilers take "liberties" with the standard by default in the name of performance. See for example, IBM's qstrict and qstrict_induction. The default at O2 and above is Qstrict and Qnostric…

It took me a while to understand that when you wrote “IE”, you did not mean “Internet Explorer”, but “i.e.” (an abbreviation of the latin phrase “id est”, meaning “that is”).

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#47
post #9
post #4

My favorite alternate browser right now is Vivaldi [1]. It's made more for power users with a lot of customization options. It's built by Opera's former CEO. [1] https://vivaldi.com

? Where did you see more customizable options in Vivaldi. Their technical preview is just basically a Chrome reskin and a very clunky reskin, for that matter.

A beta was just released on the 10th.

Features include customizable mouse gestures, tabs on the left/right/top/bottom, tabs with preview, tab stacking, tab page tiling, black color theme, custom shortcut keys, web panels, speed dial, etc.

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#48
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Almost all of the lines of code are C++ Significant parts of the functionality are written in JS. >but how often is web performance bounded by UI performance? It's often bounded by JS performance. JS performance depends on the JIT output , much less so the speed with which the JIT itself runs. The rendering engine may be a factor, but there HW acceleration also factors in. It's far from being clear cut. Media decodi…

> Significant parts of the functionality are written in JS. Such as? > It's often bounded by JS performance. JS performance depends on the JIT output, much less so the speed with which the JIT itself runs. On what? Last I looked, even things like FB & Gmail are largely bound by performance of C++ code. Sure, there's a few hot JS functions high-up in the profiles (esp. in the large data structures they build up when i…

>Such as?

Looks for .js and .jsm in the source tree.

Bookmarks, Tab management, all UX, PDF viewer, Search, Prefs, Sync, parts of SafeBrowsing, WebRTC, Update Handling, Login and Form manager, Devtools, Reader Mode, and uh I think I've proven my point.

Re: Waterfox – A fast browser

#49
post #9
post #4

My favorite alternate browser right now is Vivaldi [1]. It's made more for power users with a lot of customization options. It's built by Opera's former CEO. [1] https://vivaldi.com

? Where did you see more customizable options in Vivaldi. Their technical preview is just basically a Chrome reskin and a very clunky reskin, for that matter.

Well they're still doing a better job at it than Opera is and functionality wise it seems fairly close to old Opera releases(Vertical Tab, Sidebar...).
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