Also, the decaying state of physical infrastructure in the U.S. is only going to drive more people to spend time on the Internet, where network effects are only getting exponentially more powerful as new networks are getting built on top of existing networks. These days a social startup that's "only growing as fast as Facebook" might not even be able to successfully raise a seed round. There might be a cyclical downturn, but none of the underlying trends in society point to tech being a bad investment over the longterm.
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#12it's ending again? Wasn't it supposed to end the year before, and the year before that, and the year before that? When is google going to just drop news.google.com and have an algorithm write the same stories over every year? Next up: The next [pick top product] killer! you won't believe how [pick new or underdog product] is going to completely replace [pick top product] due to it's [pick random feature in [pick new…
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#13To be fair, I think these markdowns have more to do with who is investing than the companies themselves.
VC's do portfolio valuations much less frequently than mutual funds, PE firms or hedge funds do and they give less negative scrutiny to the valuation than the aforementioned firms do, the reason for this....
... is VC firm's typically don't allow redemptions on monthly intervals which means they can keep an unrealistic valuation for longer where as Hedge funds, PE firms and mutual funds, who typically allow monthly redemption, need to properly value each holding at the end of each month.
I mean if you are a VC, do you care if you don't write down Snap-chat at the end of the month, you really have no incentive to do so?
You get paid on a quarterly basis on the size of your portfolio, why mark it down until you are absolutely certain that it needs to be marked down, this point is usually not until you actually go to sell, be it IPO or private equity deal.
However, if you are a hedge fund and someone wants to redeem their assets, you want to make sure you value Snap-chat for what you can realistically sell if for as that's essentially what you are doing when you allow someone to redeem their funds from your firm.
With people pulling money out of hedge funds, and PE firms on a monthly basis, this makes you have to pay attention to valuations on a much more granular time frame than historically VC firms would have.
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#14My point is that arguing that people have said this bubble was about to burst and that it hasn't yet isn't an argument that it won't.
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#15I think a lot of companies who raised seed funding prior to 2010 or 2012 did so at excessively low valuations, and then tried to make up for it later by raising at excessively high valuations once they hit. The 'bubble' over the last couple years that's driven up pre-seed valuations should actually make the current crop of startups more stable over the long run. Also, the decaying state of physical infrastructure in…
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#16For those of you too young to remember, there were numerous articles written about the bubble bursting before it finally did in 2000-01. It wasn't a surprise that it did, just that no one knew precisely when it would. My point is that arguing that people have said this bubble was about to burst and that it hasn't yet isn't an argument that it won't.
As Keanes said "The market can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent".
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#19For those of you too young to remember, there were numerous articles written about the bubble bursting before it finally did in 2000-01. It wasn't a surprise that it did, just that no one knew precisely when it would. My point is that arguing that people have said this bubble was about to burst and that it hasn't yet isn't an argument that it won't.
And some of those articles were from 1998 . It can take a long time for a bubble to burst. I remember hearing about the housing bubble in 2001. It even made the front cover of the Economist in 2005. As Keanes said "The market can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent".
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#20It's time for a new term: a "Pegasus" (a different kind of mythical horse than a unicorn): https://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/658702918200250368 Pegasus (n) 1. Mythical winged horse; 2. Silicon Valley 'unicorn' with high gross margin. i.e. one that might actually take off.